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re: Here's what Rogan bro Republicans who disdain the Christian Right don't get
Posted on 9/15/22 at 11:25 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 9/15/22 at 11:25 am to AggieHank86
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reasoned discussion on an online forum.
It's called "Social Media".
Your insistence upon using the term "online forum" simply confirms that you are incapable of discussing this point without attempted emotional manipulation
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 11:25 am to DellTronJon
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What about the 800-900 years of dark ages? The church rule led to a massive class of under-fed, uneducated, non land owning serfs which was setup to maintain church dominance.
The church you are referring to is/was the synagogue of satan (catholic church)
Posted on 9/15/22 at 11:29 am to Loserman
quote:So, when did the Church STOP being Christian? When the first Greek joined the movement? Sometime in the First Century? Council of Nicea?
The church you are referring to is/was the synagogue of satan (catholic church)
When was Christianity brought back from the dead? Hus? Luther?
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 11:35 am
Posted on 9/15/22 at 11:33 am to AggieHank86
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Sociocultural evolution.
I know I’m injecting myself into these conversations very late, but I agree with this post a lot. The world didn’t have a good moral code until America was created. This good moral code didn’t derive from Judaic/Christianity, but really from the ideas of Western Culture.
The world was an evil place until then, and didn’t really get any better until the 20th century. England, France, Germany, Spain, Roman Empire, were all Christian nations, but were some of the most ruthless empires to ever rule this earth.
The argument that having good morals derives from Christianity, is an argument based on narratives, not facts.
Modern Christianity is not real Christianity, but just Americas and the West’s version of what it should be. This all derived from the ideas of freedom, tolerance, and choice, which comes from Western Culture, not Christianity.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 11:48 am to sta4ever
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This all derived from the ideas of freedom, tolerance, and choice, which comes from Western Culture, not Christianity.
The idea that you can divorce Western Culture from the influence of Christianity is......unique.
But let's say you could. You're still left with a completely subjective man-made list of shoulds and shouldn'ts that a majority will at some point force on a minority that disagrees. Pretending that this is somehow much worse or different when those moral norms stem from Christianity as opposed to some mythical "Western Culture Minus Religious Influence", secular humanism or any other value system is ignorant and indicative of shallow thinking.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:11 pm to burger bearcat
Nobody gives a shite about this except Christian Right.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:13 pm to Flats
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You're still left with a completely subjective man-made list of shoulds and shouldn'ts that a majority will at some point force on a minority that disagrees.
There isn't inherently a problem with Christianity establishing a moral framework. The problem starts when Christians pretend they have some authority to foist their morality on others because of the mistaken belief that their god gives them objectivity.
After all, the Christian moral framework was created by men, same as any other. Nothing wrong with working with what we already have and making it better. We just don't need to believe in magic anymore to do it.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:31 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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The problem starts when Christians pretend they have some authority to foist their morality on others
Like I said....
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Pretending that this is somehow much worse or different when those moral norms stem from Christianity as opposed to some mythical "Western Culture Minus Religious Influence", secular humanism or any other value system is ignorant and indicative of shallow thinking.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They #1 factor that creates the wealth gap is having children
Until you get old, and have to spend all of your accumulated wealth on elder care because you have no one to take care of you.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:37 pm to jrobic4
Also, ask China how they plan to handle the economic tidal wave heading their way Is in the next 20 to 30 years as a result of the one child policy...
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:37 pm to burger bearcat
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They can't have their low taxes, low inflation, and a non-intrusive government... but also have your atheistic society filled with abortion mills and LGBT sexual deviance.
Why not?
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:39 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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the Christian moral framework was created by men
Wrong. That framework was set down by God. The bastardization of any of that framework is a result of man. Religion is nothing but man's interpretation of that.
Basic principles of Christian morals are pretty vastly applied across most religions. The issue becomes when man decides which are relevant and which are not.
In GOD, they are all relevant. When a religion decides to remove principles, or readings and teachings, from The Word to suit alternative opinions, it's no longer part of GOD.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:42 pm to riccoar
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That framework was set down by God.
Says who?
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Basic principles of Christian morals are pretty vastly applied across most religions.
No shite, because they aren't exclusively Christian.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:49 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Says who?
GOD Almighty. Just an assumption, but you don't appear to be a Believer. And I do respect your choice if that is correct.
What I mean by most religions are those that are Judeo-Christian. They all adhere to the basic tenets or commandments.
But abortion, gay marriage, homosexuality, etc as being ignored by some aka Unitarian, Episcopal are not of God.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:56 pm to riccoar
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GOD Almighty.
Sure, that's the claim.
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Just an assumption, but you don't appear to be a Believer.
Not anymore.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:59 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Not anymore.
So who/what created the universe and where did human beings come from?
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:01 pm to Flats
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The idea that you can divorce Western Culture from the influence of Christianity is......unique.
And yet its happening.
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But let's say you could. You're still left with a completely subjective man-made list of shoulds and shouldn'ts
So Christianity?
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Not anymore.
Buck, you take a lot of crap, but I do find you intelligent and glad you post. Even if we differ.
I pray you find your way back. I fail in many areas but I do think a great thing that has helped me is finally committing to reading The Bible through in a year. I started in Jan 2022. It certainly has helped to better understand things I've heard, but never actually read for myself. That is something I put off way too long.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:06 pm to Lakeboy7
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And yet its happening.
Did you read the post I replied to? It was in the context of history, not the future.
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So Christianity?
You're starting to get it. Worst case, all religions are false and their moral codes are 100% invented by men. Just like secular morality, so why do people pretend enforcing one fundamentally different than enforcing the other?
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:15 pm to burger bearcat
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Where do you think morals come from?
Again, high horse.
Do you really think Christians invented morality?
Morals come from common sense. Morals do not have to originate from a god, a fear of a god, serving a god, or desiring reward from a god.
Before Christianity (or any religion), do you not think people could determine right from wrong and act accordingly?
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