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re: Here’s my problem with the idea of the civil war was fought over slavery
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:01 pm to Madking
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:01 pm to Madking
quote:I'm not sure what you mean. The people who spoke at secessionist conventions claimed it was about slavery. The final documents published by these conventions say this as well. Why try to hide or revise the ugly truth?
So moving the goalpost and invert then stats. I see you working.
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Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:04 pm to Jack Daniel
Mississippi was like the 5th richest state in America before the Civil War
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:04 pm to Jack Daniel
While not owning slaves many had the dream of making it bigger and being able to own a slave or 5 slaves or more. The slavery/states rights issue had been boiling for years. There is no doubt tariffs were an issue as we almost had a civil war 30 years earlier with the tariff of abominations and the force bill. But with the expansion of the us slavery was a huge issue. To say slavery wasn’t a huge part is ignoring facts. I would say the civil war started with bleeding Kansas. This fight was due to the fight on the popular sovereignty of slaves.
The elite/ the powers that be/ the antagonists in the south for them slavery was an important issue. For the regular citizen. States rights and not wanting to have the north remove slaves
The elite/ the powers that be/ the antagonists in the south for them slavery was an important issue. For the regular citizen. States rights and not wanting to have the north remove slaves
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:09 pm to Jack Daniel
So why is that a problem for you?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:13 pm to Mithridates6
quote:
About 1/3 of Southern whites owned slaves.
False. About 1/3 of Southern FAMILIES owned slaves.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:14 pm to Jack Daniel
All wars are fought by poor people for the interests of rich people.
This narrative (that I have seen other places recently besides this thread) that every soldier in the army (many of whom were conscripted) must benefit or believe in the real motivation for the war for that to be the reason for the war is frankly a poor straw man.
Not many soldiers in Vietnam were there because they believed wholeheartedly in communist containment. Not after about 1965, anyway.
The soldiers are not the decision-makers.
This narrative (that I have seen other places recently besides this thread) that every soldier in the army (many of whom were conscripted) must benefit or believe in the real motivation for the war for that to be the reason for the war is frankly a poor straw man.
Not many soldiers in Vietnam were there because they believed wholeheartedly in communist containment. Not after about 1965, anyway.
The soldiers are not the decision-makers.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:14 pm to GeauxTrain
oh
well
that's totally ok
well
that's totally ok
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:16 pm to Jack Daniel
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This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 10:33 am
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:16 pm to Jack Daniel
I have decided it was over economics. Slavery happened to be a huge part of the Southern economy.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:16 pm to MIZ_COU
quote:
that's totally ok
Why would you suggest something I did not say? Do you imagine things like that often?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:44 pm to Jack Daniel
There has never been a "civil war" in the United States. A civil war means that two factions are fighting for control of a government. It is more accurately called the "War between the states" or the "War for Southern Independence".
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:55 pm to Mithridates6
quote:I'm going to need a citation. That number seems ridiculously high.
About 1/3 of Southern whites owned slaves.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:58 pm to Jack Daniel
If the Civil War was fought over slavery then 360,222 white union soldiers died and 281,881 white Union soldiers were wounded to win the freedom of blacks in America.
I have yet to hear a decent rebuttal to this point.
I have yet to hear a decent rebuttal to this point.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:01 pm to bird35
I wouldn’t say the north fought to end slavery as much as to keep the us together.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:02 pm to Jack Daniel
State Sovereignty. States’ Rights. That was the issue.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:07 pm to viceman
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:09 pm to JawjaTigah
The slaveholders didn't care much for the rights of the free states, like at all. See Calhoun's gag rule, fugitive slave acts, Dred Scott, etc.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:10 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
State Sovereignty. States’ Rights. That was the issue.
Yep! The States' right to permit slavery.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:11 pm to Jack Daniel
quote:
Only the very wealthy in the south owned slaves. The average southerner was a homesteader raising a family on a small farm and trying to survive. Why would this guy fight a war for this rich slave owner that benefited him in now way?
You are so right. Slavery was the big political issue. Why did the North want to push this. Because it kept England, France, and other countries from helping the South. A number of my ancestors fought for the South. None of them owned slaves.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:14 pm to westide
Southern states seceded because of slavery and that caused the war. People fought to ward off invasion. It's not difficult.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 10:17 pm
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