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re: Here are the details the witness gave about the first shooting
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:51 am to RonLaFlamme
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:51 am to RonLaFlamme
quote:Raises an interesting point.
he likely would’ve been beaten to the ground and depending on how the mob responded he would be dead.
Let's focus on the first shooting (JoJo "mini Steve Austin" Rosen-whatever). Before the confrontation with JoJo, young Kyle was in no more danger of being beaten to death than any of the other "militia" individuals, whether armed or not. Absent the confrontation with JoJo, the second confrontation (Skateboard guy, Kung-fu guy and Arm-Amputated guy) would never have happened.
So, it all comes back to JoJo and his reaction to young Rittenhouse.
Would JoJo have been harassing and then chasing young Kyle, if Kyle had NOT been armed?
Yes, yes, yes. He had every Constitutional right to be armed (setting aside the complications arising from his age). Yes, yes, yes, JoJo acted like a complete idiot. Those are not the questions raised by LaFlamme.
Is it realistic to argue that young Kyle would have been in any significant danger, if he had NOT been exercising 2nd Amendment rights and thereby inciting JoJo's unreasonable response?
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Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:56 am to Schmelly
quote:I think it was when the skateboarder grabbed the rifle and took the chest shot. BicepsBoi feigned simultaneously raised hands, then saw he might have an opening and tried to murder the kid. The kid was quicker.
When did this happen?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:56 am to AggieHank86
And from what I hear, the guy with the hole in the arm was a felon, not suppose to have a gun, had one, goes to hospital and then isn’t arrested?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:57 am to FMtTXtiger
quote:The DA is hot garbage.
And from what I hear, the guy with the hole in the arm was a felon, not suppose to have a gun, had one, goes to hospital and then isn’t arrested?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:19 am to FMtTXtiger
quote:I have already said that I suspect an MTR is in process.
And from what I hear, the guy with the hole in the arm was a felon, not suppose to have a gun, had one, goes to hospital and then isn’t arrested?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:28 am to AggieHank86
quote:I can honestly say I can't think of any scenario that didn't involve my loved ones being hostages that would result in me aggressively pursuing someone with a rifle. Jojo's decision to pursue such an individual seems like a good metaphor for the body of work he put together in terms of all the life decisions he ever made.
Would JoJo have been harassing and then chasing young Kyle, if Kyle had NOT been armed?
Yes, yes, yes. He had every Constitutional right to be armed (setting aside the complications arising from his age). Yes, yes, yes, JoJo acted like a complete idiot. Those are not the questions raised by LaFlamme.
Is it realistic to argue that young Kyle would have been in any significant danger, if he had NOT been exercising 2nd Amendment rights and thereby inciting JoJo's unreasonable response?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:29 am to AggieHank86
quote:Man, that was easy to say. Weird how so many others simply don't have the chest to do so.
The initial video certainly looked like it might be a weak-arsed attempt at a Molotov, but subsequent videos and still shots make it clear that we were incorrect on that point.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:33 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Self-defense, yes. But the kid should not have been out there with a rifle in the first place
He had every right o be there.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:35 am to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:Actually, he was violating a curfew, so he didn't. But I wasn't even talking about that. A 12 year old (ignoring the curfew) had "every right" to be out there too. Does that mean it's advisable to send them out there? Of course not. Get your head out of your arse.
He had every right o be there.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:42 am to Big Scrub TX
Bug Scrub, did your parents have any male kids?
It's not unusual for men 17 years of age to respond to the call of duty.
Hell, this young man was prepared to defend his community and nation for reasons that are a lot more obvious than we have been going to the middle east over.
It's not unusual for men 17 years of age to respond to the call of duty.
Hell, this young man was prepared to defend his community and nation for reasons that are a lot more obvious than we have been going to the middle east over.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:46 am to Diseasefreeforall
How on earth did that statement lead to an arrest?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:47 am to imjustafatkid
quote:It likely was not the only witness statement.
How on earth did that statement lead to an arrest?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:48 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Actually, he was violating a curfew, so he didn't. But I wasn't even talking about that. A 12 year old (ignoring the curfew) had "every right" to be out there too. Does that mean it's advisable to send them out there? Of course not. Get your head out of your arse.
Go change your pee-soaked panties, scrub.
EVERYONE out there was violating the curfew, not just the kid.
Using your logic, the two dead guys would be alive RIGHT NOW if they had obeyed the curfew. Instead, they were ONCE AGAIN roaming the streets of Kenosha looking to destroy property and commit other crimes.
As I have stated previously, Rittenhouse SAVED who knows how many lives and businesses by removing those two shitstains from society. Their entire lives were devoted to crime.
They went out looking for trouble, and trouble found them first.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:50 am to AggieHank86
quote:
It likely was not the only witness statement.
But it's the one included with the complaint, so...those other ones must not vary much.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:58 am to Diseasefreeforall
quote:Same way that Huber got shot. Took it in the gut by trying to wrest a rifle away from an armed individual who had on a single point sling. Was never coming off unless the individual was incapacitated (which Huber had already tried to do with his skateboard).
McGinnis said that the unarmed guy (Rosenbaum) was trying to get the defendant’s gun.
Self defense x2.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 11:58 am
Posted on 8/28/20 at 12:03 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Isn't this kinda victim shaming? Like if this was said about a girls clothing who got raped people would be all about saying YOU ARE SLUT SHAMING!!
But the kid should not have been out there with a rifle in the first place (and exaggerating his supposed medical training.)
Posted on 8/28/20 at 12:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Actually, he was violating a curfew, so he didn't
Um, apparently the authorities had no problem with people violating curfew or they would have been arresting shite tons of people.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 12:13 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:He had every right to be there. And at best he was guilty of a misdemeanor because of his possession of a rifle.
But the kid should not have been out there with a rifle in the first place...
Rosenbaum instigated the encounter. And that led to his own death. Period
And STOP FORGETTING US Code;
10 USC Ch. 12: THE MILITIA
quote:
§246. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:22 pm to AggieHank86
JoJo was the first domino to fall but I can easily imagine others doing the same.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:53 pm to Dick Leverage
quote:
Then midget man makes a second lunge to engage and based Rittenhouse ends him.
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