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re: Hear me out on the 14th
Posted on 7/1/26 at 10:22 am to TFH
Posted on 7/1/26 at 10:22 am to TFH
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AT THE MOMENT OF BIRTH. SS registration happens at 18. Which they have to do, as a citizen. At 18.
My point.
Your head.
The premise that by virtue of being in the US you are a subject of its laws and jurisdiction, which is what the 14th hinges upon, falls apart when you realize that visitors are not subjects of EVERY US law and there are some that are unique to citizens, such as jury duty, taxes and conscription.
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 10:44 am to dafif
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if you are here illegally you can never have the intent to live indefinitely as well as the other requirement for status
Bro you clearly didn't listen to oral arguments or read the opinions. That was asked and answered and discussed.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 10:47 am to lionward2014
quote:Or listen to anyone else against illegal imkigration. If people aren’t staying, we wouldn’t have an illegal immigration problem.
Bro you clearly didn't listen to oral arguments or read the opinions. That was asked and answered and discussed.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 10:57 am to Taxing Authority
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Or listen to anyone else against illegal imkigration. If people aren’t staying, we wouldn’t have an illegal immigration problem.
But dafif on Tigerdroppings found the smoking gun to end BRC that no legal scholar, litigator, or SCOTUS justice thought of!
Posted on 7/1/26 at 10:59 am to dafif
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I also did not see all the court analyze 14th amendment which, in my view, is not even legal. Hear me out it says
It is literally not possible for a constitutional amendment to "not be legal" assuming the procedural requirements for its passage were met.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 11:00 am to Ailsa
That was already the law. There is no "now" to it. Dumb tweet is dumb.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 11:51 am to Robin Masters
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My point. Your head.
Your point doesn’t matter as it relates to the matter at hand.
Babies don’t pay taxes. Babies don’t conscript in the military.
HOWEVER, these babies ARE required by law to pay taxes and register for the draft, when of age or deriving income. So quit saying the laws don’t apply. A baby born here who moves to China for the rest of its life is still required to follow these laws.
Read this as many times as it takes for it to sink in.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:05 pm to TFH
SCOTUS is stupid…..can t fix stupid…..
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:18 pm to TFH
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Your point doesn’t matter as it relates to the matter at hand. Babies don’t pay taxes. Babies don’t conscript in the military. HOWEVER, these babies ARE required by law to pay taxes and register for the draft, when of age or deriving income. So quit saying the laws don’t apply. A baby born here who moves to China for the rest of its life is still required to follow these laws. Read this as many times as it takes for it to sink in.
Yes I realize that citizens are citizens and are subject to the laws which govern citizens. You aren’t making a substantive point. You are just pointing out the obvious.
Now go back and read the OP to which I was responding. His claim, like many others before him, is that people who come to our country as visitors, illegal or otherwise, are subject to all our laws (unless you are a diplomat). This is simply not true as per my aforementioned examples.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:38 pm to LawTalkingGuy
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ou can absolutely have that intent. You might get caught and be unable to fulfill that intent, but that doesn't prevent you from being a resident of the state.
Go read the Florida statute on residency requirement
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:40 pm to lionward2014
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Bro you clearly didn't listen to oral arguments or read the opinions. That was asked and answered and discussed.
I apologize if I did not see it in the opinion but I did read the opinion by justice Roberts and I do not see anywhere where it is mentioned about being a resident of the state
Posted on 7/1/26 at 2:05 pm to Robin Masters
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Now go back and read the OP to which I was responding. His claim, like many others before him, is that people who come to our country as visitors, illegal or otherwise, are subject to all our laws (unless you are a diplomat). This is simply not true as per my aforementioned examples.
Why would a tourist be subject to registering for the draft? What taxes that apply to them are they not paying? I pay all kinds of taxes when I visit other countries, save income tax.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 2:25 pm to TFH
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Why would a tourist be subject to registering for the draf
They wouldn’t because they are not domiciled permanent residents nor are they subjects of our jurisdiction, which, along with being born here are our two requirements for citizenship under the 14th. Now do you see how illogical and ridiculous birthright citizenship is?!?
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I pay all kinds of taxes when I visit other countries, save income tax.
Citizens pay global income tax. Visitors only pay tax on what they earn here.
Nor are visitors required to perform jury duty.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 7/1/26 at 3:34 pm to Robin Masters
They wouldn’t because they are not domiciled permanent residents nor are they subjects of our jurisdiction, which, along with being born here are our two requirements for citizenship under the 14th. Now do you see how illogical and ridiculous birthright citizenship is?!?
You’re not making any sense.
I don’t pay global income tax and I’ve lived in Mississippi my whole life. Babies don’t pay taxes. And babies don’t have jury duty either. Do you know how you register for jury duty? By registering to vote. How is someone who lives in China their entire life going to register to vote?
I’m going to take some pressure off of you and let you know that I do not think everyone born in the U.S. should be a citizen. But the constitution says they are right now.
You’re not making any sense.
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Citizens pay global income tax. Visitors only pay tax on what they earn here. Nor are visitors required to perform jury duty.
I don’t pay global income tax and I’ve lived in Mississippi my whole life. Babies don’t pay taxes. And babies don’t have jury duty either. Do you know how you register for jury duty? By registering to vote. How is someone who lives in China their entire life going to register to vote?
I’m going to take some pressure off of you and let you know that I do not think everyone born in the U.S. should be a citizen. But the constitution says they are right now.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
I am not but you are stating the obvious already clarified exceptions...
but in some ways they are still subject to the jurisdiction, it just ends in being expelled...
Borders are going to be a memory at some point...
but in some ways they are still subject to the jurisdiction, it just ends in being expelled...
Borders are going to be a memory at some point...
This post was edited on 7/3/26 at 8:39 am
Posted on 7/3/26 at 8:40 am to dafif
You got em! Just mail them your opinion. I'm sure they're too stupid to realize your brilliance.
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