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re: Have you ever had success changing a liberal's mind?
Posted on 10/3/18 at 10:49 pm to Tigerinthewoods
Posted on 10/3/18 at 10:49 pm to Tigerinthewoods
I'd have better use of time putting a second front door on the house.
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Posted on 10/3/18 at 10:49 pm to DelU249
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no soy
No fat
No feeeeler
FTFY
Posted on 10/3/18 at 10:56 pm to Tigerinthewoods
I had a buddy who was going to vote Hillary in 2016. I shamed him for considering a vote for a party that hated men, particularly white men. Here’s the thing, he didn’t need me to tell him democrats hated him because of his sex and race. Democrats told him they hated him based on his sex and race. All he needed was a nudge and an open mind to see what was going on. He is MAGA as frick now
Posted on 10/3/18 at 11:00 pm to Tigerinthewoods
No, but I dream of doing so one day.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 11:02 pm to DallasTiger11
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A) shouldn’t this be a positive for your friend?
He’s very much for individualism, which also differentiates himself from his ilk. I was convinced Trump would win, which made him do a 50/50 that Trump would win with his friends. He also lives in San Francisco and a lot of his so-called “friends” flipped their shite when he dare propose that Trump could win the election.
I visited him a few months after the election where his friends treated me as a science experiment on how to beat Trump and then wines and fined me well. They were very disappointed when I told them that Trump would kill Kamala Harris.
EDIT: He’s redpilled and is completely convinced Clinton is a serial rapist and his wife helped cover it up. He denounced me for years believing in conspiracy theories, but now he doesn’t and sees the Kavanaugh accusations as evil. He thinks Garland should have been approved, but is completely disgusted by the Democrats now. I think at this rate he’ll be voting Right within the decade. This is why you talk with people instead of trying to shut them down.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 10/3/18 at 11:07 pm to OMLandshark
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wines and fined
Were you wined and dined or whined and fined? Latter seems more likely.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 11:25 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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I am so weary trying to change the thinking of Liberals. Is it time to just give up on them?
I am not anything close to a hardcore Trumpkin and very much dislike the guy for a variety of reasons, but I still lean more conservative than not.
I've been able to get a lot of liberal friends/family/acquaintances to, if not totally change their minds, at least re-think how they approach their opinions on two pretty important topics:
- Foreign policy generally and especially the utilization and strategic approach of our military (and frankly I usually can change peoples' minds here because I am about 1000X more informed and more experienced in this realm than all but a handful of people I come across)
- Economics, finance, and strategy in general, but especially how businesses make decisions, wages and inequality, healthcare economics, trade economics, the functional structure of markets, incentives, how culture informs economic structures, what drives growth and economic benefits to society, and so forth
Those are the two things in which I have a lot of experience, lots of formal training, and a hell of a lot of in-depth primary and secondary research.
My friends/family/acquaintances are pretty damn well-informed and very well-educated (both liberal and conservative), so I won't try to bluff them. I know that I am completely out of my depth, for instance, if they get into a discussion of the law and legal issues, esoteric science topics, law enforcement, racial issues, fossil fuels and alternative sources of energy, and all sorts of other topics.
Basically, I know my limits and am more influential with people because when I speak up, they almost always know that I really know what I am talking about. How to win friends and influence people and all that.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 10/3/18 at 11:32 pm to Tigerinthewoods
I’ve had conversations with people at work and my customers on my route. They would ask me my opinion on things and how I look at things from a different point of view. I always tell them what I think and that I would never force my views on people. I never had arguments with people and there is always a respect for one another even though we don’t agree on everything. I had people tell me I never thought of it that way and I will tell them even though I might not agree on that I can see where you are coming from. When people are yelling back and forth between one another it results to nothing.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 11:37 pm to Tigerinthewoods
I imagine the Trump @War documentary could flip a rational lib from the dark side if they could stand it past the first 5 minutes without sky screaming or breaking their streaming device. Bannon put it out just this weekend and it’s trending nicely. Should be required viewing prior to midterms
Posted on 10/3/18 at 11:40 pm to Choctaw
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I've changed my step Brothers mind on a few issues. Mainly gun control.
Gun control is probably the biggest one I've seen liberals and progressives that I know flip on in the last few years.
I pretty consistently argued for years that the only purpose of the 2A was, is, and will always be to prevent tyranny (and not some cockamamie reason like hunting rights, concealed carry, or whatever), and they always thought I was crazy. I think a lot of liberals and progressives over the last generation or so had forgotten that history is not a straight-forward path towards "progress" however they define it and that the state and society in general can and sometimes will turn violently against you - the whole "right side of history" and all that mentality basically precludes the idea that the state and society writ large will violently turn against you at some point. Post-Cold War events strongly reinforced their view, and there was a strident triumphalism in many of them.
Trump's election, whether I liked his ascension or not, was a huge wake-up call for a lot of liberals in my sphere on two major issues:
- Arming the populace
- Centralization of federal power into the executive branch (and the power shift from state and local to federal)
Posted on 10/3/18 at 11:46 pm to DallasTiger11
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B) I wouldn’t blanket say his economic policy is anti-conservative/libertarian. Facets of it certainly are.
I'd say his economic tendencies are more towards an old-school Democratic New Deal tendency than a modern conservative neo-liberalism (in economic terms).
To be honest, I am not convinced that Trump even has a coherent economic philosophy other than "American-made" is better than not, but his tendencies are more Truman and Johnson than the Bushes or Bill Clinton.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 3:39 am to Tigerinthewoods
I got my lesbian sister to atleast vote Green Party instead of voting for Hillary. Does that count?
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