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re: Have we discussed Daily Stormer and Stormfront getting banned from the internet?

Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:23 am to
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
28126 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:23 am to
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Why is the ISP "cuck" for not wanting to house a white supremacy site? Would you lease office space or a store front in your strip mall to Daily Stormer?


I don't see it as the same thing, we are talking about a difference in things that are abstract vs. concrete.

The internet is replacing actual libraries,as the keepers of information,ideas,etc..

I think there is a responsibility to make all ideas available,even if you object to it.
People should be able to read for themselves and decide what is right or wrong.
If you deny people the ability to do that, you will unwittingly create ideas that are misinformed and crazier than anything you were protecting yourself against.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26903 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:23 am to
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So you're cool with the government forcing bakeries to bake cakes for gay weddings?


That is such a strawman argument.

Should AT&T be able to drop phone service to groups they don't agree with? What about Entergy? What about water and sewage?

Comparing that to a small mom and pop bakery with limited reach and resources is willful ignorance.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:25 am to


Replace the railroads with Google, and Teddy Roosevelt with Trump (I can dream, can't I?)
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54753 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:31 am to
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Should AT&T be able to drop phone service to groups they don't agree with? What about Entergy?


You want the internet regulated like public utilities?

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What about water and sewage?


Gov't entity so doesn't fit.

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Comparing that to a small mom and pop bakery with limited reach and resources is willful ignorance.


Comparing government compulsion of private entities is ignorant and a "straw man"?
Posted by Raylan70
The Holler
Member since Aug 2017
551 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:31 am to


Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:34 am to
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You want the internet regulated like public utilities? 



Yes. Easy answer.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54753 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:34 am to
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Have we discussed Daily Stormer and Stormfront getting banned from the internet?
quote:

Why is the ISP "cuck" for not wanting to house a white supremacy site? Would you lease office space or a store front in your strip mall to Daily Stormer?


I don't see it as the same thing, we are talking about a difference in things that are abstract vs. concrete.

The internet is replacing actual libraries,as the keepers of information,ideas,etc..

I think there is a responsibility to make all ideas available,even if you object to it.
People should be able to read for themselves and decide what is right or wrong.
If you deny people the ability to do that, you will unwittingly create ideas that are misinformed and crazier than anything you were protecting yourself against.


So all it took was a business denying access to Daily Stormer and Stormfront to turn a bunch of small government, anti-regulatory conservatives into big gov regulationists!
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:39 am to
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small government, anti-regulatory conservatives into big gov regulationists! ?


And for a bunch of liberals to turn into defenders of wise, woke big data and their Democrat donor CEOs. The times are a-changin' that's for sure.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54753 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:40 am to
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And for a bunch of liberals to turn into defenders of wise, woke big data and their Democrat donor CEOs. The times are a-changin' that's for sure.



Sure - you and they are hypocrites.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:43 am to
Oh I didn't realize I was engaging with a Lolbertarian. I try to avoid doing that as much as possible.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
28126 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:45 am to
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So all it took was a business denying access to Daily Stormer and Stormfront to turn a bunch of small government, anti-regulatory conservatives into big gov regulationists!


If you think about it, I am for the opposite.

The internet should be unregulated and above political pressure from anyone,untouchable.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261333 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:46 am to
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We would have to make internet a utility.


Which is why I'm against NN. Title II is overkill.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:52 am to
That's what net neutrality is all about anyway
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54753 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:56 am to
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If you think about it, I am for the opposite.

The internet should be unregulated and above political pressure from anyone,untouchable.



So what's your problem with the private business refusing service?
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53096 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:57 am to
Are ISPs truly private? I bet they suck on that government teat hard
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54753 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:00 am to
If it's "truly private" you're OK with it?
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
28126 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:09 am to
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So what's your problem with the private business refusing service?


Because their reason for censoring service is linked to political ideas.

hey.drop them if they don't pay their bill,whatever,but if you drop them based on what they believe,you are headed down a dangerous path.

Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27881 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:14 am to
Where are our libertarian friends when we need them?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54753 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:15 am to
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Because their reason for censoring service is linked to political ideas.


What's your solution for businesses owners acting on their personal beliefs?
Posted by monceaux
Houston
Member since Sep 2013
1182 posts
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:18 am to
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they are silent about ACTUAL censorship.


ISP doesn't want to do business with them. Just like the bakers with the cakes. Both should get to decide who they transact with.

This is first day Conservatism 101 stuff.
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