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Have any of you had recent arguments online supporting the 2nd Amendment?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:30 pm
I've had one on-going for a couple of days. Been advocating for and educating people on the AR platform. Finally, I just had enough of the ad hominen attacks, false platitudes and strawman arguments and ended the discussion by telling them they no longer had any rational sense of the discussion and were simply attacking me for being supportive of the constitution.
People who are generally decent folks are just shite outta their minds about the AR right now. I was called a kid killer, told that I support the indiscriminate spraying of bullets into a group of children, and even had one a-hole go into my Facebook and come back and disparage me for being from Louisiana.
People who are generally decent folks are just shite outta their minds about the AR right now. I was called a kid killer, told that I support the indiscriminate spraying of bullets into a group of children, and even had one a-hole go into my Facebook and come back and disparage me for being from Louisiana.
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:34 pm to HubbaBubba
I've had one with a friend IRL. He goes back and forth, but I think he's snapped at least for the time being.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:37 pm to HubbaBubba
People that talk politics on FB are trashy.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:38 pm to HubbaBubba
It's futile.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Yeah. I'd say that's correct.
It's futile.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:40 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:
Online
Join the real world. Have a conversation “”in personam”. Won’t help in the case of the 2nd Amendment, but it might teach you and the other conversant something.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:41 pm to HubbaBubba
Just ask them if they would like to discuss common sense forcep laws. Forceps have killed millions of babies.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:46 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:Oh hell no
Have any of you had recent arguments online supporting the 2nd Amendment?
But I did deliberately post on FB that I was at the range with my AR pistol trying to resolve a failure to extract problem
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:50 pm to Wolfhound45
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But I did deliberately post on FB that I was at the range with my AR pistol trying to resolve a failure to extract problem
I like your style
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:55 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:04 am to HubbaBubba
This is my outlet for political talk. I don't talk it outside of a political setting unless it's face to face and it's civil discourse or discussion. Social media debating is horrible.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:35 am to HubbaBubba
I got temporarily banned from another forum. You can pretty much guess which one if you look to the left of this post.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:42 am to Wolfhound45
If you have a rubber O-ring under the extractor, try taking it off. My Grendel had that problem. You'll have to pull the extractor if the bolt, just a pin though.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:45 am to LSUStjames
Thanks baw
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:48 am to HubbaBubba
Yes, right here. I've had to defend against the idea that people should not be allowed to have guns if they:
1. Receive government benefits
2. Have any mental health diagnosis
3. Have taken any psychotropic drugs.
And I was arguing with people who I thought were pro-2nd amendment. This disturbs me because I've never felt like I was one of the extreme supporters of it, so I can't believe I've had to defend against some completely ridiculously anti-freedom and anti-constitutional arguments.
I'm beginning to think very few people care about anything in the Constitution, unless it personally impacts them and especially when it impacts those they do not like. Maybe this has always been the case, but it's concerning nonetheless.
1. Receive government benefits
2. Have any mental health diagnosis
3. Have taken any psychotropic drugs.
And I was arguing with people who I thought were pro-2nd amendment. This disturbs me because I've never felt like I was one of the extreme supporters of it, so I can't believe I've had to defend against some completely ridiculously anti-freedom and anti-constitutional arguments.
I'm beginning to think very few people care about anything in the Constitution, unless it personally impacts them and especially when it impacts those they do not like. Maybe this has always been the case, but it's concerning nonetheless.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:52 am to buckeye_vol
quote:
1. Receive government benefits
Unless you're talking social security or working for the government and receiving benefits, agreed.
quote:
2. Have any mental health diagnosis
Agreed, to some extent. I don't think if you're claustrophobic (which is technically a mental disorder) that you shouldn't be ineligible
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3. Have taken any psychotropic drugs.
Technically alcohol and THC are psychotropic drugs. It needs to be case by case basis.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 12:53 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 1:05 am to OMLandshark
quote:Why? There is no legal basis for this, so it's clearly unconstitutional, but what constitutes government benefits: unemployment, food stamps, income tax credits, disability, loan forgiveness, etc.?
Unless you're talking social security or working for the government and receiving benefits, agreed.
Besides I already feel it's morally reprehensible that our government has created a system that breeds and reinforces dependency and diminishes self-empowerment, to then add taking away constitutional rights on top of that, is just unfathomable.
And just think how easily the government could use this to exert control. Just start offering more benefits to people until they can't say no, then take away their rights. Reminds me of the tactics used in totalitarian states.
quote:I'm saying nobody should be ineligible by a diagnosis alone. Now maybe if a person is at an extreme risk to commit violence or harm, but that would be individual specific.
Agreed, to some extent. I don't think if you're claustrophobic (which is technically a mental disorder) that you shouldn't be ineligible
quote:It should always be a case by case basis for any reason and the burden of proof should fall on the government, whether that's mental health in general or prescriptions that can impact it.
Technically alcohol and THC are psychotropic drugs. It needs to be case by case basis.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 6:48 am to buckeye_vol
quote:
Yes, right here. I've had to defend against the idea that people should not be allowed to have guns if they:
1. Receive government benefits
2. Have any mental health diagnosis
3. Have taken any psychotropic drugs.
And I was arguing with people who I thought were pro-2nd amendment
Incidents like Wednesday’s demoralize people and temporarily weaken their resolve. That’s when those looking for an opening take advantage.
The good news is, most of the people you were arguing with will come to their senses within a few days and realize that theirs was merely a knee jerk reaction.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 6:53 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 7:01 am to buckeye_vol
quote:
It should always be a case by case basis for any reason and the burden of proof should fall on the government, whether that's mental health in general or prescriptions that can impact it.
I can support this.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 7:08 am to buckeye_vol
quote:
I'm beginning to think very few people care about anything in the Constitution
they don't
i was coming in this thread to post about that
the people who want to ignore the 2nd Amendment and legislate around it are just part of the sick, totalitarian culture that has developed due to our leviathan of a federal government (and this isn't partisan. this disease infects most Americans)
i've literally made the "fine. repeal the 2A" argument multiple times and it's either ignored or i'm told it's too hard/GOP will obstruct so we have to find another way. there ain't supposed to be another way, motherfricker. hell when i say the entire point of how our government is structured is to avoid the emotions of the masses, they either end the conversation or call me crazy
it's just a complete lack of respect for what our government is supposed to be, because people want to use the judicially-created, constitution-eroding powers of fedgov to "Get their side's way". it's terrible. you REALLY see it when idiots talk about countries like UK having strict gun control. they think all countries have the same laws and when you say "the US is more free than the UK" they think you're lying (or twist "freedom" to suit their argument)
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