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re: Has any governmental body (outside of maybe Sweden) articulated the plan?
Posted on 5/4/20 at 5:58 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/4/20 at 5:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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it would 100% be a success. i think the realistic timeline is 3-4 years
the governments are either lying to us or being truthful in that they have no idea what they need to do
i hate to put on the tinfoil hat but this complete 180 on "flatten the curve" and then the utter lack of real communication after is scary
Yes, it really almost feels like we’ve come to a point where the grand conspiracy angle may be the least insidious possibility of what’s going on.
Odd times.
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 5:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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it would 100% be a success. i think the realistic timeline is 3-4 years
There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus so placing a bet on this strategy isn’t wise. Research, at a very high cost, has been ongoing for at least two decades.
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the governments are either lying to us or being truthful in that they have no idea what they need to do
It’s the latter. Coronaviruses are bewildering because they’re such shape shifters. There’s very little the human population can do other than trying to protect the old and infirm.
Now that we know who is the most susceptible, we’ll just have to let the virus run through the rest of the population and mutate to a less deadly form for them. That’s a very unpopular thought even though it’s the most pragmatic one.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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so, uh, what's the, uh, plan?
There isnt one, and that includes Trump...
Nobody has the balls to say “we need to achieve herd immunity, just like Sweden, so the highest risk need to shelter and take extra precautions, but everyone else needs to interact and develop immunity to it and here’s how we do it...”
Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:03 am to Kentucker
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There’s very little the human population can do other than trying to protect the old and infirm.
Now that we know who is the most susceptible, we’ll just have to let the virus run through the rest of the population and mutate to a less deadly form for them. That’s a very unpopular thought even though it’s the most pragmatic one.
It might be an unpopular opinion but if you let the virus run its course through the young and healthy that shuts off a ton of pathways by which the elderly and infirm that you mention could contract the virus.
It's unpopular but it's the right thing to do IMO.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:04 am to Kentucker
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There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus so placing a bet on this strategy isn’t wise.
look my post above was a realistic "best case" scenario
that is not amenable to society and this thread clearly makes the supposition that the "vaccine play" is not rational
so that's why i was asking what governmental body has articulated our plan? all they do is list minute parts of what would constitute an overall policy (see Bama's post in this thread for an example). nobody has clearly communicated a plan, as best i can tell
Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:06 am to Powerman
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It's unpopular but it's the right thing to do IMO.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it’s weird to think that basically destroying all of society as we know it has become the more “popular” option instead.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:09 am to Y.A. Tittle
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I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it’s weird to think that basically destroying all of society as we know it has become the more “popular” option instead.
It seems to be a more prevalent opinion by people who don't suffer direct consequences of this. There are some occupations that at least for the time being aren't being impacted. Of course the longer this goes on the more vulnerable every sector is. Some people have the short sighted mindset of "I still have my job and I got the stimulus check"
Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:45 am to Powerman
Let’s get Skynet on it.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:47 am to Powerman
nurses are about to start getting laid off so we're about to have to watch an epic 180 in attitude from one industry at leat
Posted on 5/4/20 at 8:56 am to Y.A. Tittle
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it’s weird to think that basically destroying all of society as we know it has become the more “popular” option instead.
No one knew what the new virus would do or who would be most susceptible to it. Now we know that it’s the old and infirm who need to be protected from it.
It was rational for nations to lock down until we gained more knowledge about the virus. It would now be illogical to remain locked down. We know where to focus our efforts.
We need to reopen society completely while at the same time protecting, as well as can, the old and infirm.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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so that's why i was asking what governmental body has articulated our plan?
I think we’re seeing our government shape a “plan” on day-to-day developments. The over-all consensus of government officials and the population in general is shifting to the idea that the virus is here to stay and that we’ll just have to live with it. We now know enough about it to deal with the consequences of reopening society fully.
Sweden is not the only country that didn’t lock down. Mexico, Indonesia and many others decided early on that the effort and expense would be too great. Did they make the right decision? Hindsight says yes although they may have lost a lot of older adults needlessly.
If those most susceptible to the virus were children, then they would have certainly thought it was worth the effort to protect them. In fact, I think we would still be locked up tight world wide if that were the case.
Perspective is everything.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:28 am to Kentucker
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No one knew what the new virus would do or who would be most susceptible to it.
By the time the US locked down, we absolutely knew roughly what the mortality was, what the R0 was, what age groups and comorbidities it would affect.
Now if you say we locked down to get PPE together and get plans for hospitals cooperating, I’m ok with that. That has long passed. Let’s move on.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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so, uh, what's the, uh, plan?
Trump administration put out their three step plan to open the economy. You may not like it, but it’s our plan.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:42 am to doubleb
That’s a very short-term plan. It has no overarching vision.
What if cases spike again? What if we double our deaths (or worse) by August? Do we go back to shelter in place? Open and close? What’s the end goal?
No one is articulating a big picture plan.
What if cases spike again? What if we double our deaths (or worse) by August? Do we go back to shelter in place? Open and close? What’s the end goal?
No one is articulating a big picture plan.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:44 am to DragginFly
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Let’s get Skynet on it.
I mean is there a legit reason why we shouldn't be harnessing as much CPU power as possible to help us solve this?
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
The plan should be to isolate high-risk folks, let healthy people go about their business and accept it’s not gonna work out well for some folks. We need to accept that some in society that are high risk will not make it. However, we have to get herd immunity. It’ll be a bumpy road, but necessary.
No politician has the balls to take that approach though.
I find it interesting that this has revealed very little that is good about government but a lot that is really bad.
No politician has the balls to take that approach though.
I find it interesting that this has revealed very little that is good about government but a lot that is really bad.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 9:53 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 3:15 pm to the808bass
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That’s a very short-term plan. It has no overarching vision.
What if cases spike again? What if we double our deaths (or worse) by August? Do we go back to shelter in place? Open and close? What’s the end goal?
No one is articulating a big picture plan.
The OP said there was no plan. There is Trump’s plan, right?
I’m not arguing for or against. I’m just pointing out the Trump plan.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 3:18 pm to doubleb
It’s not what he was talking about. Thus my post.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 3:35 pm to Powerman
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Most people are saying anything under 2 years would be considered a success.
Not POTUS. He’s putting out false hope again by saying end of 2020.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 3:36 pm to doubleb
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The OP said there was no plan. There is Trump’s plan, right?
it's not a full, comprehensive plan
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