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Has any governmental body (outside of maybe Sweden) articulated the plan?
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:44 pm
this is focused primarily on the US (federal and state) but the subject makes it clear that international governments are also included
so, uh, what's the, uh, plan?
yes i understand we need 20M tests/month to test/trace to deal with acute outbreaks, but that's a mitigation strategy and not a total strategy for how society is going to deal with this pandemic
outside of a vaccine, what the hell is the plan for society?
so, uh, what's the, uh, plan?
yes i understand we need 20M tests/month to test/trace to deal with acute outbreaks, but that's a mitigation strategy and not a total strategy for how society is going to deal with this pandemic
outside of a vaccine, what the hell is the plan for society?
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Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Let the narrative frick up everything and win elections
That’s about it
That’s about it
Posted on 5/3/20 at 2:02 pm to Jrv2damac
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Let the narrative frick up everything and win elections
even this is silly. a very dangerous game for DEMs
give the feds unprecedented power and risk Trump winning? that's insanely risky for the DEMs
Posted on 5/3/20 at 6:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Bump
Posted on 5/3/20 at 7:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
I dont think there is a plan. Governor Meemaw went on about testing being the benchmark for opening...yet didnt say what, whom, when, or where. No mention of how exactly testing is going to do anything.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 7:33 pm to chateaublanc
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Governor Meemaw went on about testing being the benchmark for opening...yet didnt say what, whom, when, or where. No mention of how exactly testing is going to do anything.
"testing" isn't a policy or plan in of itself. it's a talking point/PR bit, but it's not a real policy
is everything waiting for a vaccine? what are the upper limits on time for that plan?
if no vaccine is found, then what? back to square one?
Posted on 5/3/20 at 9:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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testing" isn't a policy or plan in of itself. it's a talking point/PR bit, but it's not a real policy
Hence, why I was confused by the oress conference. I understand Meemaw not knowing what is going on, but what about the "task force"?
They spent more time praising each other than actually explaining any kind of plan. I know these people arent all stupid. There are doctors and reasonably intelligent people she has access to. Why cant they make a plan?
Posted on 5/3/20 at 9:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
Masking, serology tests, limiting large gatherings, quarantining active cases, etc.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 9:24 pm to BamaAtl
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Masking, serology tests, limiting large gatherings, quarantining active cases, etc.
link me the comprehensive policy
Posted on 5/3/20 at 9:24 pm to BamaAtl
Lol
Posted on 5/3/20 at 9:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
I feel like we were initially supposed to be attempting a mitigation strategy in which we "flatten the curve" under hospital capacity. It seems like we're now trying to shift to a full suppression strategy once it became apparent that all of the models overstated the threat.
We didn't fully commit to shutting down harshly enough in the urban centers with outbreaks to get the R0 low enough for that to be effective though, so we're in this weird limbo between the two. Feels like we're afraid to commit to either path and so we're stuck in this worst of both worlds scenario now. Not really sure how we're going to move forward in the short term unless the summer gives us a break.
We didn't fully commit to shutting down harshly enough in the urban centers with outbreaks to get the R0 low enough for that to be effective though, so we're in this weird limbo between the two. Feels like we're afraid to commit to either path and so we're stuck in this worst of both worlds scenario now. Not really sure how we're going to move forward in the short term unless the summer gives us a break.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 10:00 pm to MusclesofBrussels
They’re shifting the narrative because hospitals aren’t overwhelmed, but they don’t want to look like reactionary jackasses.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 10:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
They are delaying for a vaccine. It’s called the “delay and hope” strategy.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 5:21 am to tigerskin
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They’re shifting the narrative because hospitals aren’t overwhelmed, but they don’t want to look like reactionary jackasses.
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They are delaying for a vaccine. It’s called the “delay and hope” strategy.
i have a bad feeling it's one of these 2 options
Posted on 5/4/20 at 5:27 am to SlowFlowPro
The problem is it's not reasonable to assume that an effective vaccine could be tested, produced, and widely administered anytime soon. Most people are saying anything under 2 years would be considered a success.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 5:40 am to Powerman
it would 100% be a success. i think the realistic timeline is 3-4 years
the governments are either lying to us or being truthful in that they have no idea what they need to do
i hate to put on the tinfoil hat but this complete 180 on "flatten the curve" and then the utter lack of real communication after is scary
the governments are either lying to us or being truthful in that they have no idea what they need to do
i hate to put on the tinfoil hat but this complete 180 on "flatten the curve" and then the utter lack of real communication after is scary
Posted on 5/4/20 at 5:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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the governments are either lying to us or being truthful in that they have no idea what they need to do
i hate to put on the tinfoil hat but this complete 180 on "flatten the curve" and then the utter lack of real communication after is scary
I honestly think we have a bit of a Mexican standoff type of situation on our hands
No one wants to act first because there is no real victory to be had
Opening up things completely will increase the spread of the disease but a full lock down scenario can't be sustained much longer. And that's not just in the U.S. That's everywhere. Tough decisions need to be made and no one appears to want to be the first to make those tough decisions.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 5:48 am to Powerman
in a thread on the OT Bama referenced Germany/SK as having plans. they get all the credit in the world for early response and avoiding that initial surge, but that's not a total plan. is SK just going to sit in near-quarantine for 3-4 years until a vaccine shows up? are they going to heavily restrict international travel into SK? having such a low rate means their timeline is REALLY fricking long if no vaccine emerges
Posted on 5/4/20 at 5:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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outside of a vaccine, what the hell is the plan for society?
Get back to business as usual and let the virus run it’s course. What should have originally taken place.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 5:57 am to SlowFlowPro
I had posted a few weeks ago about using distributive computing projects to attack this. We should be harnessing every non defense essential super computer within the government's jurisdiction to be attacking this IMO. And the folding@home and BOINC system in general should be temporarily diverting all computing resources specifically to learn about this virus. That might at least put us on a faster track to learn about potential pharma treatments. And have a PR campaign to make the general public aware of this so they can contribute as well with their own spare computing power. Very few people even know this stuff exists.
There are desktop apps, smart phone apps that could help attack this problem. Let every gaming console port an app to do the same thing. With the combined spare computing power of all of these devices working around the clock in addition to being supplemented by actual super computers we might actually be able to fast track the development of viral medications for realistic treatment.
I'm not sure what % of devices are actually utilizing this, but I'd have to bet it's very small. If we could get that up to 10 or 20% of devices we'd have massive brute force computational power to help solve the problem.
There are desktop apps, smart phone apps that could help attack this problem. Let every gaming console port an app to do the same thing. With the combined spare computing power of all of these devices working around the clock in addition to being supplemented by actual super computers we might actually be able to fast track the development of viral medications for realistic treatment.
I'm not sure what % of devices are actually utilizing this, but I'd have to bet it's very small. If we could get that up to 10 or 20% of devices we'd have massive brute force computational power to help solve the problem.
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