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Handwriting Analysis Can’t Exonerate Roy Moore

Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:32 pm
Posted by CommoDawg
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:32 pm
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But such an examination1 would be unlikely to empirically prove Moore’s position — or much of anything. Despite its widespread use, handwriting analysis is neither reliable nor scientifically confirmed. “There are few, if any, well-designed studies that show how well handwriting analysts can identify a forgery under conditions that mimic those that might exist in legal cases,” said Jonathan Koehler, a law professor and forensic science expert at Northwestern Pritzker School of Law. “Even major treatises on handwriting analysis concede that it is extremely difficult for anyone to be able to figure out if a signature or other very limited writing sample has been forged.” Even without a firm scientific basis, handwriting analysis is often presented in trials. A 1993 Supreme Court decision, Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, increased the scrutiny of supposedly scientific evidence and expert testimony presented in court, but case law remains pretty favorable to the admissibility of handwriting analysis, particularly in state courts, said Vanderbilt Law School professor Edward Cheng, a coauthor of “Modern Scientific Evidence.” Federal courts tend to be a little less open to allowing it, but, “There are very few places where it’s excluded,” he said. Cheng speculates that the reason there hasn’t been much policing of handwriting evidence from the courts is that the technique seems intuitive. People can imagine how it works, and think they understand the evidence before them. But this eagerness to believe might also mislead. The technique is “highly subjective” and “vulnerable to context effects such as expectation and suggestion,” according to an examination of cases involving handwriting identification by Seton Hall law professor and forensic handwriting expert Michael Risinger.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:33 pm to
Well, a yearbook isn't a sign of rape either, so....
Posted by Statestreet
Gueydan
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:34 pm to
Can't prove it either way then.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48401 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:34 pm to
Have to get in front of the forgery. I get it. What I don't get is that you Dems expect Moore to prove a negative.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:34 pm to
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Handwriting Analysis Can’t Exonerate Roy Moore by CommoDawg


But I'll bet ink analysis will be a bitch for that lying whore accuser
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26808 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:34 pm to
I don't see how the yearbook is evidence of anything beyond that he (may have) signed someone's yearbook.

How this has evolved into some kind of gotcha is a signal to how far into the abyss we have fallen.
Posted by CommoDawg
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:35 pm to
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I don't see how the yearbook is evidence of anything beyond that he (may have) signed someone's yearbook. How this has evolved into some kind of gotcha is a signal to how far into the abyss we have fallen.


It certainly disproves Moore's claim that he never met the woman
Posted by Deuces
The bottom
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:36 pm to
Her lawyer refused to say that the accuser saw him sign it when asked multiple times.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:36 pm to
Except its a fake.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 1:37 pm
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:37 pm to
Dear God you people can't really be this dumb. I don't even know where to start.
Posted by skidry
Member since Jul 2009
3265 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:37 pm to
Is it just me, or does the article state it can’t be used to exonerate him, then go on to make the case for why it could??
Posted by shinerfan
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:38 pm to
The ink can be dated very accurately.

And we all know what that's going to show.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:43 pm to
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It certainly disproves Moore's claim that he never met the woman


It was 40 years ago. I've got friends on Facebook that I went to high school with for 4 years that I have no memory of, and it was way less than 40 years ago.

Even if he did sign it, it only proves that they were acquainted.
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
21007 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:45 pm to
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Have to get in front of the forgery. I get it. What I don't get is that you Dems expect Moore to prove a negative.


The do not, the allegation is far more important than the evidence to support or contradict. You do not really think they care about guilt or innocence, they care about winning or losing that election and getting back in power.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68282 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:46 pm to
In the real world, not your lib fantasy world, it's up to the accuser and jer lawyer to prove his guilt. So, this point of yours is worthless in furthering that notion.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:49 pm to
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it's up to the accuser and jer lawyer to prove his guilt.


Tell that to Mitt Romney.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:50 pm to
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CommoDawg


Why do you want to frame an innocent man?
Posted by LSU Patrick
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:50 pm to
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:51 pm to
Is this a Toddy thread?

Posted by vodkacop
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
7855 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:56 pm to
Yet people being able to certify autographs as authentic can determine if a piece of memorabilia is worth thousands or worth nothing. Yet the signature can't be use to exonerate him. Lol so dumb.
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