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re: Hamas Savagery vs. American Savagery
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:21 am to LARancher1991
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:21 am to LARancher1991
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Hard not to kill women and children when they are being used as human shields. There is your answer they are sub humans because they use schools, hospitals, and homes as shields for themselves and weapons.
ANY evidence of this with this particular terrorist? Obviously they tracked his whereabouts, why not a targeted assassination or drone strike?
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:21 am to ChanceOfRainIsNever
Love when you take out the facts in an effort to call an orange an apple!
Fact is that the US military did not start the action and retaliated when the Ragheads used unprovoked attacks on neutral shipping. They were attacking neutral shipping in an effort to spread fear and impact international trade. Secondly Hamas doesn’t wear uniforms, doesn’t abide by the any convention and use unprovoked violence on innocent civilians. How does that equate to our military actions?
Fact is that the US military did not start the action and retaliated when the Ragheads used unprovoked attacks on neutral shipping. They were attacking neutral shipping in an effort to spread fear and impact international trade. Secondly Hamas doesn’t wear uniforms, doesn’t abide by the any convention and use unprovoked violence on innocent civilians. How does that equate to our military actions?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:23 am to IvoryBillMatt
That's been my main complaint with Israel flattening all of Gaza. I expected big bad IDF and Mossad to be more careful, but they justify it with "Hamas used those hospitals as human shields" and away we go. I didn't complain about the Hezbollah beeper thing, even though some innocent people were killed, because that was the precision I expect.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:27 am to PQuin
quote:and do you think the women and children aren't terrorists too?
with most of the casualties being women and children.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:33 am to IvoryBillMatt
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I'm against any military action outside of that authorized by the Constitution (call me crazy), but there are certainly more surgical ways of dealing with individual terrorists than flattening an apartment building.
Hell I’m against war too unless it’s the Israelis sinking the USS Liberty, assassinating US diplomats that aint pro israel enough, assassinating JFK for tryin to make em register for FARA and keep Israel from havin nukes, or US soldiers fighting multiple wars in the middle east and sending em $15Billion bucks each year. Nothing is too far to keep our God’s chosen people safe.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 9:35 am
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:34 am to ChanceOfRainIsNever
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What was the acceptable ratio when we bombed Hamburg, Berlin or Dresden? What about when we firebombed Tokyo?
Those actions were authorized by the Constitution. The people, through their representatives in Congress, had spoken. The bombings during WWII were to break the will of the enemy and to bring the war to a close.
These cloak and dagger killings in Yemen are done without the consent of the American people. Who knows what the costs and benefits are? This should be fully debated.
This is like Obama's unconstitutional and useless attack on Libya. I supported Trump because I thought he would follow through on stopping our role as world police.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:36 am to PQuin
quote:I'm curious to see your link.
I'm curious to hear why leveling an apartment building to kill one person is any better than the actions of Hamas or any other group. It was pretty wild to see the group chat sending fist-bump emojis after killing around 50 people, with most of the casualties being women and children.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:36 am to FlyingPelican
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and do you think the women and children aren't terrorists too?
Is there any evidence that these particular women and children that we killed are terrorists???
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:40 am to PQuin
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PQuin
Ilhan, did you consumate the marriage with your brother?
PS - After reading this, suddenly Gilligan and SFP don't seem quite as crazy.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:41 am to jrobic4
quote:or similar scum
Great minds!
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:43 am to NC_Tigah
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I'm curious to see your link.
That's a fair point. I would like to see a link to know who the target terrorist was, whether he was killed, and why his death was worth flattening an apartment building.
Of course, the American people don't need to know all the operational details, but after all these years of "the war on terror," I would like to see an occasional cost benefit analysis to see if these unconstitutional actions are at least effective.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:47 am to Bunk Moreland
After Vietnam I don't think anyone in the U.S. can make a case against someone else's collateral damage.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:48 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:Since we have no idea as to WTF is being discussed, or the reliability of it, I'd like to know who the target was as well.
I would like to see a link to know who the target terrorist was, whether he was killed, and why his death was worth flattening an apartment building.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:54 am to PQuin
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Can anyone argue that this shows more regard for human life than the actions of Hamas or other terrorist groups?
War is hell. At least our team isn't doing things like the Ergodan-backed forces in Syria that are roaming at large executing thousands of unarmed citizens in an "ethnic cleansing". At least we're not out making propaganda videos of executing prisoners via beheading with pocket knives. At least we're not doing the evil shite that Ukrainian and Russian soldiers are doing to their war prisoners like castrating them on the spot and sodomizing them with weapons.
War and combat is evil, period. But there are certainly some acts that are less evil than others. And when you're dealing with extremely evil radical terrorists who deliberately refuge amongst women and children as a safeguard against attack, it's unfortunate but women and children are going to die.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:57 am to IvoryBillMatt
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Is there any evidence that these particular women and children that we killed are terrorists???
Hamas is the democratically elected government of Gaza--selected BY THE PALESTINIANS to govern them.
I don't see public uprisings and protests objecting to Hamas. I don't see people rushing the Egyptian border to get out of Gaza.
The men, women, and children in Gaza have not denounced Hamas.
What I see are chants of "From the river to the sea" by groups which include women and children.
What I see are the palestinian women and children knowingly acting as human shields for Hamas militants--the same Hamas militants holding US citizens as hostages.
The hard truth is if Hamas puts down their guns there will be peace. If Israel puts down its guns, there will be no Israel.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:57 am to PQuin
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I realize that this is how things have been done for decades, much to the benefit of the MIC.
Do you think this is a pro-MIC board? Endless wars and the powers-that-be profiting off of them is just one more reason why a majority of this board supports political outsiders like Trump, Hegseth, Gabbard, and Bobby Kennedy.
Now, when it comes to the ABSOLUTE POISON that is Islam, what you need to understand is what has come to be called the FAFO principle. If you extremist bastards would stop causing mayhem, you wouldn't have to worry about retaliation.
1) Don't start none; Won't be none.
2) ISLAM IS PURE POISON.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:01 am to KCT
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Ilhan, did you consumate the marriage with your brother?
If you think the Quran is page turner, you gotta check out the Talmud.
• Baba Mezia 114b: "The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."
• Zarah 26b or Minor Tractate Soferim 15:10: "Even the best of the gentiles should be killed."
• Sanhedrin 57a: "What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep."
• Baba Kamma 113a: "Jews may use lies ('subterfuges') to circumvent a gentile."
• Yebamoth 98a: "All gentile children are animals."
• Avodah Zarah 36b: "Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth."
• Sanhedrin 59a: "A gentile who studies Torah deserves death."
• Sanhedrin 57a: "With respect to robbery-if one stole from a gentile, it is permitted."
• Baba Kamma 38a: "The property of a gentile is like abandoned property, and whoever seizes it first acquires it."
• Gad Shas 2:2: "A Jew may violate a gentile woman, but a gentile who violates a Jewish woman is put to death."
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:03 am to IvoryBillMatt
The OP's question was not about a single particular terrorist. But now that you brought it up let me ask this. How many lives is it worth to wait until a terrorist can be taken out without causing collateral damage? Let's say we know he is about to plan an attack that could possibly kill 100 people. He will plan this attack from an apartment building. Do you let him plan the attack and possibly kill 100 people in order to avoid collateral damage? At what point does he or others get wise and realize they are safe as long as they are around civilians?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:06 am to PQuin
Posts like this are fricking clueless and further proves that Americans don’t have the stomach to do what’s necessary.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:08 am to PQuin
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Can anyone argue that this shows more regard for human life than the actions of Hamas or other terrorist groups?
yes we can - it is not a comfortable argument, but it is a necessary argument.
When the people themselves are indoctrinated into the evil ideology of HAMAS then there is no other logical choice - other than surrender.
HAMAS has either indoctrinated this population into providing them with a human-flesh shield. Or they have captured them and holding them as 'protection.'
Remember what the US and its allies did in WW2 - firebombed Japan cities and bombed German cities and ended it with two Atomic Bombs.
The alternative to either of these scenarios is tremendous cost to your own civilization. in the case of HAMAS it is better to stop it when the casualties are measured in dozens rather than billions. There is no stopping the Muslim extremists short of either ceding control of the who earth to them or killing them all.
When they stop massacring anyone in their way, reflexively killing anyone who disagrees with them, using their own citizens (especially babies and children) as 'shields' so they have a propaganda subject, then there is no choice when they surround themselves with hostages while continuing to wage war.
It is all on them.
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