re: Hagel Stepping Down

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Warren will go for it now, not 6 years from now.

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Agree. She doesn't run now and HC is nominated and wins then it'll be 10 years before Dancing Dumbass will get a shot.

2016 is not the time for someone to the left of obama to expect to do well. I give Sanders little to no chance. A Warren challenge to Hillary could indicate just how far left the party has gone. Warren only runs if she feels the far left has control of the party.

One things for certain, it will be a nasty race.

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I like sanders.

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For a socialist - I like him as well. He has been okay on guns. Being from Vermont, he really doesn't understand the realities of the country, particularly the entitlement state that needs to be reformed - I suspect his socialist instincts would fail him and he would double down, rather than reform and reduce government depedence that has already grown outside of any reasonable containment.

He would likely be an isolationist, not unlike Ron Paul. It would be refreshing if he were the Dems candidate, because he would likely state exactly which policies he would implement if elected and the voters would know that when they voted for him.

He is idealistic and while I agree with you:

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completely gets how our system is completely broken.

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That's like saying a blind man knows when there's a thunderstorm - his idealism would thwart his ability to work with a congress, even if he had the caucus in either (or, almost impossible, both) house.

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warren will be the most credible "left" candidate but I doubt she will win the nomination.

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I think the slate and how long a "right" candidate, and let's just say Webb is well-financed and can make a deep run. HRC is going to look tired and haggard - she will have been "running" for President, officially or unofficially for 2 decades, plus, at that point. It already shows. Her only advantage is that there are no more skeletons to uncover, of any importance. People that support her don't care that she runs as a centrist, despite being an Alinskyite, or her involvement in destroying her husband's sexual conquest for political benefit, the whole sleazy slime around her personal finances, her pathological lying.

This has had such an effect, I wonder if the Dems will ever have an honest candidate at the top of the ticket again - Webb would certainly speak his mind, as would Sanders or Kucinich, for that matter - but they're unelectable, IMHO, by the current Democrat party. One has to feign centrism, by any means necessary, with the current base of Democrat voters.

Of course that has doomed the Republicans for years, as well - although not dishonestly - Dole, McCain and Romney were all Republicans who bent over backwards to be moderate (even progressive in some policies), because that's the opponent the dems and their media hacks wanted.

But it will take a Rand Paul who is neither a media favorite, nor propped up by the Republican establishment to break the current trend line, IMHO.

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I think a type running aginst the estabilshment and "I love Main Street but I dont trust Wall Stret" could do quite well with the Reagan Democrats.

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Could be. At this point we're all guessing. I'm hoping Rand Paul draws these people to him.

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i think the last "honest" candidate for president was jimmy carter.

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Meh - I think Reagan, Mondale, Dole, McCain (okay, a big maybe on this one), and Romney were fairly straightforward as candidates - Dole and Romney were so mushy and flipfloppy that one wasn't certain, but there wasn't this intellectual bankruptcy I see from Clinton, Kerry, Obama, and to a lesser degree Gore. Gore was much closer to the Dem W and they were kind of made for each other in that campaign - 2 Ivy League, idiot children of long-time politicians - I guess in a way, Romney has a similar background, but Mormons don't tend to drift as dishonestly as say, Harry Reid - he's quite the outlier (pun intended.)

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HRC has a ton of positives. She is "tested" from a variety of angles. She has a deep resume, certainly one of the deepest resumes we have seen running for president since Bush I. Senate, Sec of State plus the time as first lady, which is invaluable experience on what it takes to be a successful president.

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I think this helps in the general, but I was talking about the primary - obviously 2008 could be merely the result of the demographic novelty of the candidate, but obviously none of that crap means anything when a guy with just 1 notch above "No relevant experience for the job, whatsoever" is nominated, elected and re-elected by the Democratic party.

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he has no shot at the nomination

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I used to think that, but there is some fire behind this smoke.

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am starting to wonder about his honesty. He scuttled NSA reform, does he really have principles?

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No one is perfect, but I will believe he is honest and sincere until proven otherwise. I'm not familiar with the specifics of his opposition - the problem with someone with principles is that it is often jarring - remember the lesson of Goldwater - the guy that accused him of being a racist because of his technical opposition to the CRA was an actual, virulent racist himself. (Ironically, he also accused Barry of being a warmonger when it was his peaceloving racist arse who escalated the Vietnam War.)

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She has a deep resume, certainly one of the deepest resumes we have seen running for president since Bush I.

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Can you name something she has accomplished in all of those positions? One will do.

Round One in the make Obama pay saga. He had best push through his AG and SECDEF nominees before January or the chairs stay empty as far as I am concerned.

He gets no one and no money until he obeys
the law.

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So, on the left right scale you'd put him about the same place as Hillary? Obviously, Warren is going to be the standard of the left.

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Hillary is to his left culturally and to his right on economics.

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I don't think the fact that Hagel was the lone Republican on Barry's team of advisers and his getting the boot are a coincidence.

Barry doesn't like dissenting points of view. Ask Atkinsson, the Tea Party, and Rosen.

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I dont think anyone liked hagel as sec of defense, left or right.

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In this case, though, they can argue strongly that getting another fricking joker like Hagel in will be worse than leaving it vacant, given the clusterfrick that the Obama defense policy had been.

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Please baby Jesus if this happens let Work take a well-deserved shite on the F-35

EDIT: Nevermind, Hagel is staying until a successor is confirmed LINK