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re: Gun reform that doesn't violate the 2nd Amendment

Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:07 am to
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44048 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:07 am to
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Violence


Exactly.

Posted by HTDawg
Member since Sep 2016
6683 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:27 am to
The 2nd Amendment doesn't say you have a right to an assault weapon or an arsenal. It simply says you have a right to bear arms. An assault weapons ban should be the first act. You want to shoot one, go to a shooting range. Secondly, full and automatic criminal and mental health background checks on every one who buys a gun, including private gun shows. Third, a required safety course for first time gun owners on how to safely use and store guns. Fourth, a national database of all illegal guns used in the commission of a crime. Confiscate them and take them out of commission. Five, allow the CDC to study gun violence.

None of these things violate the 2nd Amendment, and even so, they will never happen. The NRA, which is a lobby for gun manufacturers and doesn't care about gun owners, their rights, or the 2nd Amendment, has bought and paid for Republicans, and a few Democrats. When the 2nd Amendment was written, we had muskets for f*cks sake. I doubt the found fathers could scarcely imagine what would happen in today's world.

I say this as a man who grew up on a large farm, owns guns, and hunts. None of these things will impact my right to own and enjoy guns. They might just save a few lives, and if it saves one, or stops one mass shooting, it's worth it.
Posted by Bow08tie
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
4491 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:04 am to
Nope
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
13410 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:53 am to
U do realize a revolver is a semi automatic weapon. A gun made in the 1800s....

Semi automatic means every time you pull the trigger a projectile is fired.
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
27763 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:56 am to
"shall not be infringed"

Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
24853 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:58 am to
Your proposal will disproportionately impact blacks and is therefore racist
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:58 am to
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another internet tough guy. I said the ones that you currently have are grandfathered in


You would get the same response regardless of the setting.



F your grandfathered in clause. We aren't giving you limp wristed regressives an inch.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
39022 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:02 am to
Repeat after me:

“Shall not be infringed...shall not be infringed...shall not be infringed!”

Now, after that, maybe we can discuss a policy that defends our children while they are at school?

Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68174 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:24 am to
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Impose a mass shooting tax on all semiautomatic weapons. Make it around 50k. It will make potential buyers really think about their purchase.

fricking stupid
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I personally don't feel comfortable with this younger generation having access.

How about we kill them with our grandfathered guns?
Posted by winston318
Oklahoma City,OK
Member since Sep 2009
3204 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:11 am to
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F your grandfathered in clause. We aren't giving you limp wristed regressives an inch.


I have a nice arsenal of weapons mainly due to my father. I have 2 older fully automatic guns with select switches. An Ak-47 , and a mini 14. I need to clean them and see if they still work. I haven't pulled them out in probably 10 years.
Im all for guns. The sales tax would make people really have to decide if its worth it. Now the rebuttal to this is what about the illegal market, and I just don't run in or know anyone who runs in those circles
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
108192 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:19 am to
Damn...I was really hoping I could downvotes this again.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
21951 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:26 am to
Or get rid of the stupid arse gun free zones. Clearly, once again the shooter didn’t care about the stupid sign and all it did was make it impossible for people to defend themselves.

Imagine the different outcome if that football coach had a concealed carry weapon to protect those kids rather than his body.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
29198 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:34 am to
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The ammo shelves at Walmart will be full all week this week.


Unless you're trying to find .22 LR.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 7:34 am
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13946 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:39 am to
Mass shootings always occur in gun free zones.

Let’s ban them.
Posted by 56lsu
jackson mich
Member since Dec 2005
7641 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:09 am to
only a pussy would need to have an at-15 to defend himself. if you can't protect you and yours with a hand gun or shot gun go live where no one else is
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
9253 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:31 am to
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When the 2nd Amendment was written, we had muskets for f*cks sake. I doubt the found fathers could scarcely imagine what would happen in today's world.


That's a negative, good sir.

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TheDCNF found “repeater,” multi-shot rifles from even prior to the Revolutionary period. Further, the research shows that founders and leaders from that time period were starkly aware of innovations in small arms manufacturing and technology.


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An expert in the evolution of small arms flatly disagrees that folks back then “had something much different in mind” when they wrote the Second Amendment.

“[The Founders] lived during the Age of Reason. They celebrated the achievements of the human mind. They had witnessed huge advances in firearms technology — i.e. matchlock giving way to the wheel lock, which, in turn gave way to the flint lock,” William Atwater, a military technology expert and curator at the United States Army Ordnance Museum in Aberdeen, Maryland, told TheDCNF. “Each and every one of these developments were huge in their day.”


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Getting more specific, Thomas Jefferson famously tapped the famous westward explorers Lewis and Clark to explore with a gun that, according to The Washington Post, didn’t exist.

Enter the Girandoni air rifle. The Girandoni air rifle is a repeating rifle capable of firing 22 shots in under a minute without a reload — and Meriwether Lewis’s air gun was one such firearm. Lewis’s rifle was a .46 caliber, magazine-fed repeating gun capable of shooting 22 shots in under a minute.


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Another innovative and powerful gun from centuries ago is the Kalthoff repeater. Originally made by an unknown inventor in the 17th Century, the gun got its name from the family who later produced it, the Kalthoffs.

The Kalthoff repeater is a musket with two magazines: one that holds the bullet balls, the other holds gunpowder. The user pulls on the trigger guard, which puts a charge of powder and a bullet ball into the breech of the gun as well as cock it. To fire the next shot, simply pull the lever guard and let the gun do the rest.

The early version of the gun could hold seven bullet balls, later models could hold 12, according to an article published by Firearms History, Technology & Development. There was even a claim that one Kalthoff could hold 30 bullet balls. Whatever the capacity, it is certainly capable of firing more than “three or possibly four rounds in a minute”


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Then there is the Belton flintlock, which works in a manner similar to a roman candle. Once the fuse is lit, the gun can fire multiple shots in quick succession without need for reload.


LINK

Our Founding Fathers were acutely aware of the progress of firearms. They even let private citizens own cannons.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
9253 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:43 am to
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An assault weapons ban should be the first act. You want to shoot one, go to a shooting range.


What defines a weapon as an assault weapon? From my understanding, there is no legal definition. We already have bans on automatic rifles.

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Secondly, full and automatic criminal and mental health background checks on every one who buys a gun, including private gun shows.


We have that.

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Third, a required safety course for first time gun owners on how to safely use and store guns.


I don't necessarily oppose this, but how will you enforce it? Does a person that grew up shooting their father's guns really need this before he buys? What if your first gun purchase is from a private seller? Are we to outlaw all private sales? Smart gun owners have already learned how to properly handle them, and, as much as I don't like it, you can't outlaw stupidity.

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Fourth, a national database of all illegal guns used in the commission of a crime. Confiscate them and take them out of commission.


Do we not do that already?

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Five, allow the CDC to study gun violence.


I'm not sure what the CDC has to do with guns. Is it not known that crazy people are more prone to violence? I have no problem with gun violence studies, but the results will always be that the the vast majority of gun deaths are caused by criminals, usually those involved with dealing drugs. Outlawing guns will not prevent these people from acquiring them.
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