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Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:30 am to BamaAtl
quote:Bigot. Nothing about living in ATL gives you special Insight either.
And thinking that your living in bumfrick Louisiana your entire life grants you some special insight into why you need more and more powerful guns that are being used to murder Americans is the height of ignorance.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:34 am to BamaAtl
quote:(using your ‘logic’)... we still have murders.
In what ways are our laws prohibiting murder deficient in relation to other comparable wealthy and peaceful countries?
But really... don’t ask me to explain it. It’s your argument.
quote:When we become one of those “said countries” let me know. There’s nothing comparable here. The false equivalence is false.
And in what ways can we strengthen those laws to be in line with said countries,
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Because we know the answer to those questions for gun control.
Nope. One-variable models are soft the gullible and ignorant. This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 9:37 am
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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i live in a city of 70k+ people
Look at the height of city-dwelling over here. The 5th-most populous city in the 25th-most populous state.
From the article you posted:
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The risk of firearm-related death showed no difference across the rural-urban spectrum for the population as a whole
So what makes you think this is only an urban problem?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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sounds like we found out what we REALLY need to be focusing on, then
Is it your contention that comparable countries to the US yet with much lower gun fatality rates don't have problems related to gangs, population density, poverty, etc?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yep. Drug trafficking, gang affiliation, and marriage infidelity all correlate better to homocide that firearm availability. It’s not even close.
A combination of factors including gangs, population density, poverty, etc.
—?—?—?—?
sounds like we found out what we REALLY need to be focusing on, then
This is why they have to go to silly proxies like magazine sales for proxies to “prove” their theories.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 9:42 am
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:40 am to Taxing Authority
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don’t ask me to explain it. It’s your argument.
No, that we needed stricter murder laws was yours. Mine is that we need stricter gun laws to lower gun deaths - an argument borne out by data.
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There’s nothing comparable here
That's silly.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:42 am to BamaAtl
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Look at the height of city-dwelling over here. The 5th-most populous city in the 25th-most populous state
i never said i currently live in a huge metro area, but please explain how a city of 70k+ is "bumfrick" or, hell, even considered "rural"
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The risk of firearm-related death showed no difference across the rural-urban spectrum for the population as a whole
i'm talking about firearm violence
i'm not talking about suicides
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:quote:
A combination of factors including gangs, population density, poverty, etc.
sounds like we found out what we REALLY need to be focusing on, then
Problem solved, right?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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please explain how a city of 70k+ is "bumfrick" or, hell, even considered "rural"
100k is the floor to be considered a "city" - you live in a large town. Surely a quaint large town, but still.
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i'm talking about firearm violence
So am I. Again, Wyoming has the highest firearm fatality rate of any state in the country - are you calling Wyoming urban?! They'd probably be offended.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:46 am to BamaAtl
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No, that we needed stricter murder laws was your
Nope. I was applying your reasoning for more gun control to murder. It’s always fun when you argues against your own reasoning! The self-boom is the best boom of all!
quote:I fixed it for you. Being gullible isn’t “science”.
Mine is that we need stricter gun laws to lower gun deaths - an argumen borne out by cherry picked data and bullshite modeling.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:46 am to BamaAtl
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Mine is that we need stricter gun laws to lower gun deaths - an argument borne out by data.
It's only "borne out by data" if you don't fully understand the problem.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:46 am to BamaAtl
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Is it your contention that comparable countries to the US yet with much lower gun fatality rates don't have problems related to gangs, population density, poverty, etc?
they don't have the same problems we do
that's part of the major demographic difference i referenced earlier
we have an underclass that skews all of our statistics. education, violent crime, health, etc. Western Europe and Canada simply do not have this
if you remove this underclass, we are doing just fine
i'm sure you've heard of the 3% (sometimes it's different but it's usually 3-6%) problem? that small portion of our society accounts for approximately half the violent crimes in the entire country. the US does not have a violence problem, we have a 3% problem
the real issue is fixing this underclass problem. we may put a small dent in our rate of violent crimes by adding gun control, but we'll still skew as an outlier in terms of violence if we don't address our underclass problem (the same way we'll skew in all sorts of other issues like education, health, etc)
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:53 am to BamaAtl
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100k is the floor to be considered a "city"
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Wyoming has the highest firearm fatality rate of any state in the country - are you calling Wyoming urban?! They'd probably be offended.
again
i am not talking about suicides
i am talking about gun violence
LINK
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Firearm deaths, however, include suicides, and there are a lot of them. In 2013, there were a total of 33,636 firearm deaths, and 21,175, or 63 percent, were suicides, according to the CDC. Homicides made up 11,208, or 33 percent, of those firearm deaths. The rest were unintentional discharges (505), legal intervention/war (467) and undetermined (281).
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The 10 states with the lowest homicide rates are: North Dakota, Vermont, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Utah, Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts and Oregon.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:54 am to BamaAtl
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We have all 4.
No we don't. We have racist arse laws that prevent minorities from obtaining their vehicle privileges as well as their alcohol and tobacco consumption. Why do you want to punish minorities by preventing them from owning vehicles or purchasing alcohol and tobacco?
Why do you support racist arse laws that only really affect the poor which are overwhelmingly minority?
So why are you okay with 6 figure death tolls caused by alcohol/tobacco/vehicles each year?
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Why are you for those, but against common-sense gun control?
LINK me where we have sugar control. Any 5 year old with $2 can load up on sugar.
LINK me where we have common sense vehicle control. How many elderly are on the road who endanger others? How many teenagers are on the road who endanger others? Hell, foreigners can come right off the plane and rent a car and go on a death stroll down a sidewalk. That isn't common sense vehicle control.
LINK me where we have tobacco/alcohol control. Any 18 year old can walk in a store and buy tobacco. And any 21 year old can buy alcohol. Did you know that alcohol increases the chance of suicide in those whom are suicidal exponentially? Why do you hate the mentally ill?
I await your response.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:54 am to Bard
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It's only "borne out by data" if you don't fully understand the problem.
Bama is just playing fast and loose with terms she's changing as the discussion bends and flows
this thread is primarily a discussion of gun violence
Bama sometimes talks about gun violence but then throws in a random "gun deaths" comment. "gun deaths" include suicides
can we all agree that this thread is discussing gun violence and not suicides? that should erase any further confusion
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:54 am to Taxing Authority
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I was applying your reasoning for more gun control to murder.
Which as I pointed out is a mistake, because we have no readily identifiable deficiencies in murder laws when compared to other comparable countries.
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The self-boom is the best boom of all!
I agree, and always enjoy you showing your ignorance. Please, continue!
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I fixed it for you.
Yet again, you don't understand the studies and have no interest in researching the topic, so you pretend that they don't make sense to more than just you.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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the real issue is fixing this underclass problem
No, the issue is fixing the absurd ease of access to and prevalence of guns in our country.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:57 am to BamaAtl
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No, the issue is fixing the absurd ease of access to and prevalence of guns in our country.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:59 am to BamaAtl
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it your contention that comparable countries to the US yet with much lower gun fatality rates don't have problems related to gangs, population density, poverty, etc?
They don't have a certain subgroup of roughly 4% of the population which is responsible for over 40% of violent crime.
Amazing how such a small percent of our population are the ones who are responsible for an outlandish amount of crime and other issues.
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