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Green Beret Strangled in Mali - possible illicit cash scheme coverup
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:26 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:26 am
Fox news
My initial guess was booze, drugs, or pussy, but an illicit cash operation seems a reasonable motive. Wouldn't surprise me if the assailants were high or drunk during the incident.
Let's see if the military does the right thing here.
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Melgar confronted the two Navy SEALs after discovering their alleged scheme, where they reportedly took money for themselves from a fund used to pay informants, the Daily Beast reported.
The two men tried to get Melgar to join the racket, but he declined the offer, the report said. Melgar later ended up dead in what appeared to be a strangulation.
Whether the SEALs were involved in the death remained unclear as the investigation continued. The commandos were initially described as “witnesses,” but authorities later changed that to “persons of interest.” Officials said Melgar’s cause of death was “homicide by asphyxiation.”
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The SEALs reportedly told their military leaders that they found Melgar and tried to save him, according to the Daily Beast. They also said Melgar was intoxicated that night as he was taking hand-to-hand fighting exercises.
The autopsy, however, showed no signs of drug or alcohol usage, according to the report.
My initial guess was booze, drugs, or pussy, but an illicit cash operation seems a reasonable motive. Wouldn't surprise me if the assailants were high or drunk during the incident.
Let's see if the military does the right thing here.
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Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:28 am to MrCarton
The Navy is such a fricking mess.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:28 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Sounds like they need me to overhaul it.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:31 am to MrCarton
Was coming to post this; this is big news. SOFs usually work without a lot of supervision but this could change things and not necessarily for the better. IF these 2 guys from ST-6 really killed this guy over dirty money I hope they get executed in quick fashion.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:32 am to GeauxxxTigers23
The truth is coming out - slowly - on this. Since this is ICF type stuff, which I've long suspected had a lot of hanky panky (Full disclosure: I was once an ICF user - while our expenditures were far too low to attract any sort of corruption, the potential is always there when you're dealing with something fungible like cash) - but this story has the potential to be the worst black eye to SOCOM since the death of Pat Tillman - and maybe the worst ever.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:33 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The Navy is such a fricking mess.
The SEALs have been a special kind of mess for a long time now. One too many TV specials and movies I'd guess. They need to be reeled in to a much more limited and scrutinized role.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:33 am to MrCarton
RIP Staff Sergeant Melgar.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:37 am to Ace Midnight
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The truth is coming out - slowly - on this
Given the nature of these operations and the disbursement of these funds to their final destination, I think the actual truth may never be fully known. There should be enough evidence to take care of these pricks though.
The sensitivity of these kind of OPS is slowing down the process of concluding the investigation I'm sure.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:37 am to MrCarton
fricking SEALs. Dudes have a long history of doing whatever they want. A little babysitting could do those assholes some good.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:39 am to MrCarton
quote:Id be in favor of just disbanding them and giving their mission to the USMC. The Navy has bigger fish to fry right now anyways. Between the Fat Leonard scandal and driving their boats into everything they see(or don’t see because they were sleeping or whatever) they have their hands full.
The SEALs have been a special kind of mess for a long time now. One too many TV specials and movies I'd guess. They need to be reeled in to a much more limited and scrutinized role.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:42 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Id be in favor of just disbanding them and giving their mission to the USMC. The Navy has bigger fish to fry right now anyways. Between the Fat Leonard scandal and driving their boats into everything they see(or don’t see because they were sleeping or whatever) they have their hands full.
This. The Navy is the most critical US capability, and the SEALs have no role in that at all. Disband, turn over to USMC, let Army SOF run the show. /drama.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 7:43 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:52 am to MrCarton
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This. The Navy is the most critical US capability, and the SEALs have no role in that at all. Disband, turn over to USMC, let Army SOF run the show. /drama.
The USMC is part of the Navy too.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:57 am to Loserman
If you look at the definition of marine(lower case m) and look at the SEAL mission set they are virtually identical. Why have a group sea soldiers in the Navy when you have an entire branch called Marines(upper case) literally attached to the Navy. It makes no sense fiscally or operationally. Let the Navy focus on doing Navy shite, like dominating the seas, a skill that has obviously diminished in the past generation or so, and let the Marines focus on killing people, which is something they happen to be quite good at. And like MrCarton said, dominating the seas is by far the most important task of the United States military. Something we’ve overlooked since the end of the Cold War.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:06 am to Loserman
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The USMC is part of the Navy too.
But a separate branch - the ground combat organ of the maritime capability.
The Commandant can be the chairman. The Commandant doesn't answer to the CNO - they both answer to SECNAVY - so there's that.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:08 am to Ace Midnight
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but this story has the potential to be the worst black eye to SOCOM since the death of Pat Tillman - and maybe the worst ever.
Did you read the story on ST6's "war crimes" earlier this year? According to The Intercept, they had a tradition in Afghanistan where they would "canoe" insurgents. Canoeing is when you blow their head open at the top and split it like a canoe. Rob O'Neill apparently did this to OBL after OBL was already dead.
This all started after one of the insurgents killed a member of ST6 and tried to behead him after the SEAL was already down. Some other SEALS witnessed it from a chopper as they were trying to rescue him. The SEALS got angry and decided to fight fire with fire which led to a SEAL actually beheading an insurgent later on.
Their commander also bought each member a Tomahawk he had specially made by an expert craftsman in Virginia. (This SEAL unit's insignia was a native American Apache or something which is why he chose the Tomahawk). The SEALS started using these tomahawks to kill insurgents in hand-to-hand combat. lol.
ST6 and Delta Force are given a lot of leeway. They are basically no different than CIA operatives (and actually work closely with CIA paramilitary dudes, most of whom are themselves retired SEALS or Delta). It's to the point that they really aren't even military anymore. They have little supervision, no grooming standards, and basically have a license to kill as they see fit. They are great when they uphold military ethics, but if you get a few bad apples, watch out.
When Marcinko created ST6 in the early 80's, he gave them this persona of being ruthless renegades working outside the chain of command. He had them all grow long hair, beards, and get tatted up. He wanted them to look like outlaws, not military personnel. Even back then it pissed a lot of the Navy brass off who considered him a cowboy that needed to be reigned in. I figured that as PC as our military is today that Marcinko's vision had been reigned in. I guess not.
Personally, I have no problem with cracking some skulls with Tomahawks, but it's against the Geneva conventions and I guess we should prolly abide by that if we want to be respected around the world.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:13 am to AUstar
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Marcinko
thought he was above the law too and was given carte blanche as long as the job got done. As far as SOFs being "outlaws" I have little issue with it as long as they don't cross certain lines & these 2 guys apparently did (not pre-judging).
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:22 am to AUstar
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Personally, I have no problem with cracking some skulls with Tomahawks, but it's against the Geneva conventions and I guess we should prolly abide by that if we want to be respected around the world.
You sure about that?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:27 am to Wtodd
My main concern with SOF right now is they are desperate for recruits since SOF has become such a huge part of the counter-terrorism mission (which is most of the military's mission nowadays). I feel like they might be loosening entrance standards and passing guys that wouldn't have made it prior to 911.
I mean you have got to be a little fricked in the head to pass SEAL or SF training in the first place -- and you're probably even more fricked in the head after a few tours in Afghanistan chopping insurgents to pieces with tomahawks and watching your fellow SEALS get beheaded. According to the Intercept, some ST6 members had to leave the military because they started acting out and committing war crimes. Even as mentally tough, fearless, and millions spent on training each of them, PTSD can still affect even them.
I just worry that the SOF isn't what it used to be due to the increased demand of their services.
I mean you have got to be a little fricked in the head to pass SEAL or SF training in the first place -- and you're probably even more fricked in the head after a few tours in Afghanistan chopping insurgents to pieces with tomahawks and watching your fellow SEALS get beheaded. According to the Intercept, some ST6 members had to leave the military because they started acting out and committing war crimes. Even as mentally tough, fearless, and millions spent on training each of them, PTSD can still affect even them.
I just worry that the SOF isn't what it used to be due to the increased demand of their services.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:30 am to Wtodd
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thought he was above the law
He served time in a Federal prison, so no he was not above the law, even though I think he was somewhat railroaded because he made some of the brass look really bad...
The SOF community is very small when compared to the conventional force, yet their OPTEMPO has been ramped to the max for quite awhile now... It doesn't excuse the actions of some but sustained OPTEMPO like they have experienced is not good physically or mentally...
If these frickers are guilty, I hope they are executed...
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:32 am to AUstar
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I just worry that the SOF isn't what it used to be due to the increased demand of their services.
A large number of the missions that have been carried out almost exclusively by SOF forces lately could have been accomplished just as easily by conventional forces. The problem is that SOCOM has so much sway of the DOD and our civilian politicians are absolutely enamored with them that SOCOM manages to take any mission that they want. Then they say they need more funding to accomplish their broader mission set. If you look at a lot of the missions that SOF forces are carrying out around the globe right now, probably more than half of them aren't really that "special."
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