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re: Green Beret Strangled in Mali - possible illicit cash scheme coverup

Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:28 pm to
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
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Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:28 pm to
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:29 pm to
That's great

Would've been even better if they put a pt belt across the 101 patch
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:41 pm to
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:43 pm to
Yes. I was corrected as a Sgt outside of the DFAC because I was in a flight suit and didn't have my glow belt on. Glad I never had to live there.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
20274 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:55 pm to
The PT Belt thing is still mainly an Army and Recruit Depot thing right? When I was in we never had to worry about them. Only guys in reflective vests to block traffic if we were running in a formation.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:03 am to
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Nope.

Army dude is a bigger target and slower. Easier to hit. Less effective.




Exactly the opposite. Makes a bigger shield for absorbing more ammo

Posted by Chisholm
Member since Nov 2017
94 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:32 am to
I worked on this case briefly, just as Army CID was beginning to investigate; I admit it did not look like anything other than horseplay at time, and we couldn't advise the commander on a COA leading towards UCMJ action.

I think the toxicology just changed everything, as it often times does.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:34 am to
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Exactly the opposite. Makes a bigger shield for absorbing more ammo


Navy...always hiding behind the men.

:smh:

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:37 am to
I've been out for about five years now but, depending on the Commander, we definitely had to worry about them at Lejeune when I was in.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:35 am to
Hey brother, I know I’m beating a dead horse here but what you said Gen Milley said about SFAB really got my juices flowing. So I did research and what Gen Milley actually says contradicts what you are saying he said (for background this is in reference to the first SFAB that will stand up, which will focus on Afghanistan):

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Special Forces does not train the Afghan National Army. They don’t train them now. They never have. Same thing in Iraq,” he added. “There’s a reason for that. One, that’s way beyond the capacity of Special Forces. It’s also beyond the skill set. SF teams don’t train infantry or armored brigades, Milley said. They also can’t teach artillery or helicopter flight operations. That’s where the SFAB comes in, with a brigade combat team chain-of-command and all of its mission sets.


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Special Forces has gone out and done what they’re supposed to do, and only they can do, which is train irregular forces,” Milley said, citing as examples the work Green Berets have done with the Syrian Democratic Forces, local militias, indigenous special forces, Afghan commandos, Iraqi special forces and elite police SWAT teams.


Now Gen Milley did clarify:
quote:

Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley stated that Special Forces had never trained conventional Afghan or Iraqi troops. Milley later clarified to Army Times that, in some cases, they had, but that both nations’ conventional forces had predominantly been trained by conventional U.S. troops.


I understand you are a SF veteran, I don’t know how long you’ve been out. But just as recent as 2013-2014 I was blessed to work uplift for a team from first group and later 3rd group. Awesome experience but I say that to say we did exactly what Gen Milley States, we advised commandos, not so much of this is how you conduct a flank but more so we’re clearing this village, we’ll lead you to the village and we’ll cover your element as you move.

Now as recent as the past year I was a part of a BCT doing training, advising, and assisting at the conventional level, which is what SFAB will be doing. This was more so of this is how you conduct a flanking maneuver. SFAB is the culmination of military transition teams in Iraq, security force advise teams, and security force advise and assist teams. All different names, advising conducted by conventional forces, but finally the Army decided to give credence to the structure.

So what’s the so what? SFAB isn’t taking a piece of the pie from SF as previously alluded to. SFAB, as it stands right now, is just a permenant unit conducting the advising that conventional forces have already been executing.

Hopefully I don’t come off as a douche of some sort as I genuinely enjoyed our discussions and although it’s unlikely that conventional forces will take irregular advisory missions from SF, maybe one day your wish will come to fruition. Since as we’ve seen for the past 16 years the Army loves the thought of grand ideas, only to have a change of heart when the next General comes in. Hate to egg this on but it was just one of those things.





This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 6:56 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:58 am to
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PT Belt


In 2009, at least in places, this was an issue in Iraq. I was an "Army of One", so I was dying for some high speed NCO to correct me, but that never happened. I did carry a belt with me and if it got dark while I was out or a bad dust storm, I might have worn it a half dozen times.

It was silly, though. An example of how garrison mentality bleeds into theater and a post full of Fobettes gets out of warfighting mode that easily - at the whim of the senior NCO corps. Same deal about the dirty windshield bullshite.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:44 am to
It is basic evolution.
Survival of the fittest
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:52 am to
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SF teams don’t train infantry or armored brigades
I'd argue that they most certainly have been training Afghan and Iraqi conventional forces. I realize that they call them "commandos" but they're not commandos by the definition that you or I would use. Clearing a village isn't commando work, that's infantry work. Now I don't have a problem with SF teaching this or taking on that role. They specialize in teaching light infantry tactics and if they can do teach to an irregular force then they can teach it to regular force.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 7:53 am
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18419 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:16 am to
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Clearing a village isn't commando work, that's infantry work.


I agree but it depends....... on the mission and level of understanding of whatever unit is conducting it. Although infantry can and do clear villages, that doesn’t mean they are allowed to. ROE, operating environment, what’s the purpose of clearing this particular village, and all that mess. It’s not that infantry aren’t able to do it, it’s that the host nation or in some cases our nation won’t allow them to do it. All commandos aren’t created equally, but it’s an appropriate term for their level compared to their other war fighters in that nation (afghan).

This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 8:23 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:22 am to
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Those would be awesome trips.


bc the pussy potential in the area is through the roof.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:32 am to
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Im no expert on the Russo-Georgian war but from Ive read the Russians performed pretty poorly. In fact, I believe that’s what spurned Putin into investing so heavily in his military.


They held their ground but them expecting US forces to jump in was a bold strategy that didn't pay off.
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