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re: Government employees who will not get paid today
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:18 am to Godfather1
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:18 am to Godfather1
You’re not completely wrong, but you’re painting anyone complaining about not receiving pay with the broad brush of being ill prepared for not receiving pay. Just because I hate working for free, doesn’t mean I’m not prepared.
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:19 am to notslim99
You're not working for free. You're just working for a large company with a dysfunctional accounting department.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:22 am to notslim99
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Air traffic controller for the FAA. Not a lot in the private sector for me, although the shutdown is a big argument in favor of privatization.
Thanks for the answer.
What nonessential functions do you see as endangering the public because of the temporary "shut down"?
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:22 am to Centinel
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You're not working for free.
Ok, sorry. Deferred payment that will be taxed to shite when I get it.
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You're just working for a large company with a dysfunctional accounting department.
No argument from me there.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:23 am to Dale51
None. All the public safety personnel are at work.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:25 am to Gaston
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All GOV projects, that need oversight are shut down. Can’t even get into my normal site, it is shut down.
Thanks for the answer.
So the projects are continuing...but the "oversight" people are on paid vacation?
What function does your "normal site" conduct?
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:27 am to notslim99
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Deferred payment that will be taxed to shite when I get it.
And that is horseshite 100%. And I don't mean that as it won't happen, I mean it's horseshite that your pay will get taxed to hell.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:28 am to Dale51
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You're making my point.
If it's functioning with no GOV employees....maybe they're not needed?
Again...you're conflating eliminating nonessential employees with eliminating whole departments...i.,e. "You want to eliminate NASA?"
Is a guy responsible for the upkeep of an important server essential or unessential? It may run for weeks or longer without him.. but it may go down on day 3. I'd call him essential.
Obviously I would agree that our government could downsize and still operate just fine.. offices could do better at prioritization, develop better workflows, etc. I'm all for shrinking most budgets by 1% a year for a decade of two.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:30 am to Dale51
Tests rocket engines.
This facility produces the rockets, but the work is incremental, and the companies here already got paid $X to produce Y, so they’re just functioning as ‘normal’.
Each company has quality and safety oversight. Production runs on predetermined schedule and budget, engine testing and overall project management is run by NASA test engineers or otherwise, and they’re on vacation. I’m hustling so I don’t go on LWOP, and I’ve already missed a paycheck...I contacted my last engineering firm when this started, so I picked up work through them as well. Turned that in last night. Once it goes through the PE for review I hope I get more...
This facility produces the rockets, but the work is incremental, and the companies here already got paid $X to produce Y, so they’re just functioning as ‘normal’.
Each company has quality and safety oversight. Production runs on predetermined schedule and budget, engine testing and overall project management is run by NASA test engineers or otherwise, and they’re on vacation. I’m hustling so I don’t go on LWOP, and I’ve already missed a paycheck...I contacted my last engineering firm when this started, so I picked up work through them as well. Turned that in last night. Once it goes through the PE for review I hope I get more...
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:34 am to bmy
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It may run for weeks or longer without him.. but it may go down on day 3. I'd call him essential.
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Is a guy responsible for the upkeep of an important server essential or unessential? It may run for weeks or longer without him.. but it may go down on day 3. I'd call him essential.
And if that happened, someone would be brought in. Do you actually expect someone to believe they wouldn't be on call?
When the important server is not having a problem, what is this guy doing...hanging around waiting for a problem, or is he on call?
Again...your scenario conflates the anomaly for the norm.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:39 am to Gaston
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Tests rocket engines. This facility produces the rockets, but the work is incremental, and the companies here already got paid $X to produce Y, so they’re just functioning as ‘normal’. Each company has quality and safety oversight.
Thanks for the answer.
So far, how many essential testing functions would you guess you are behind so far? How have the effects of this manifested themselves?
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:45 am to Bourre
Now do people that work in the oil industry
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:47 am to Dale51
I’d guess some Army rocket engines are falling behind, some commercial engines aren’t getting tested, not sure if they’re letting Rolls test jet engines or not...since there’re no emergency personnel. I guess planning for future production and testing has stopped.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:56 am to tigerinDC09
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Trump said he wouldn't blame the Democrats for the shutdown. Why do you disagree with your dear leader?
You need less than 10 dem senators to walk into the senate and say they agree to support a bill already sitting in the senate, that the president will sign, and it will reopen government. Today.
It will end an impasse over 5.7 billion dollars. 5.7 billion. It’s not even because of the money because they drew up another bill in the house giving away 12 billion to foreign countries for their corrupt leadership to steal (aid).
Less than 10. Less than 10 people of just one entity of the legislature is holding up a funding bill that will reopen government.
And they sit there with their arms crossed.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:58 am to notslim99
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It’s not popular because it’s kinda stupid.
Maybe you are right. Maybe the right thing would be to make necessary layoffs to government employees.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 11:05 am to Bourre
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Live within your means and build up emergency funds in case you have to pay your bills during another shutdown in the future
While that's all well and good, I would imagine 75%, if not more, of Americans would have serious problems if they missed a monthly check.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 11:09 am to wareaglepete
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Maybe the right thing would be to make necessary layoffs to government employees.
If you’re suggesting cutting some departments or redundant functions, I’m all for it.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 11:22 am to Gaston
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The Dems aren’t caving...their whole point is to stop Trump from being effective, this shite is exactly what they want.
So it's the same old shite we have seen before? And will see in 8 years. And in 16, and in 24...
Posted on 1/11/19 at 12:16 pm to nugget
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we could just stop all entitlements during the shutdown and give that money to government employees. Your base would be really shook then
If only you knew how many Republicans rely on SNAP and other assistance programs in small rural southern towns.
Most people who get assistance actually need it. Plenty of working people need the assistance to make ends meet.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 12:20 pm to CleverUserName
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You need less than 10 dem senators to walk into the senate and say they agree to support a bill already sitting in the senate, that the president will sign, and it will reopen government. Today.
Doesn't that work both ways?
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