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re: GM Cuts 15% of it's salaried workforce, may close up to 5 North American plants

Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:17 am to
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
23293 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:17 am to
I thought Black Jesus gave them $39 billion in taxpayer dollars?
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
29730 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:18 am to
So GM can't make a go of it even after Obama basically forgave all of its debt to private creditors?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:28 am to
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I thought Black Jesus gave them $39 billion in taxpayer dollars?


That was for bailing out the unions.
Posted by Themole
Palatka Florida
Member since Feb 2013
5557 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:29 am to
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Electric and self driving cars are no more than a silly bubble. They are the robot vacuum cleaners of the auto industry.


Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:30 am to
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Black Jesus gave them $39 billion in taxpayer dollars

their total bailout turned out huge, but it was in loans

about 13 bil of them came from tarp with bush still in the WH
Posted by Themole
Palatka Florida
Member since Feb 2013
5557 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:32 am to
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I thought Black Jesus gave them $39 billion in taxpayer dollars?


They Spont it.
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
19542 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:36 am to
GM is doing what any corporation would be doing. Cutting a bloated workforce and executive team.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56147 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:37 am to
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I thought Obama saved GM.


You beat me to it.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:41 am to
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GM is doing what any corporation would be doing. Cutting a bloated workforce and executive team.


this is why trump's bullshite about magic wands and all these old jobs coming back is a cruel lie

of course, he was at one of these facilities spouting this shite just last summer
quote:

"I'll tell ya what, I rode through your beautiful roads coming up from the [Youngstown Warren Regional] Airport and I was looking at some of those big, once-incredible job-producing factories," Trump said in front of a sold out Covelli Centre. "And my wife Melania said, 'What happened?' I said, 'Those jobs have left Ohio.' They're all coming back. They're all coming back."

The crowd erupted at the remark.

"Don't move. Don't sell your house," Trump added.

^that's at the facility that's already lost ~3000 jobs since early 2017, and faces closure now

This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 10:42 am
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
108986 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:41 am to
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Don’t you still need an assembly line to manufacture and make self driving cars and electric vehicles?


Sure, but you don't need people to build them.

Remember, Mary is committed to automation
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:47 am to
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their total bailout turned out huge, but it was in loans

about 13 bil of them came from tarp with bush still in the WH


Weren't they tax free also? TARP should have been under Obama's first term, but Bush thought it was needed NOW so it fell under his administration.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:48 am to
GMC - union bound and government funded
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
19542 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:50 am to
Trump's magic wand is deregulation. He is not guaranteeing any company success. He is only giving them a chance to win or lose on their own merits. GM is doing what they need to do to survive. All of those plants are union, so they are gonna be more expensive to keep open.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29595 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:50 am to
Outside of what I would assume are higher steel costs for the industry, I would doubt Trump had much of anything to do with GM's bloat.

However, he painted himself as the champion of rust belt workers. He's an optics guy such that the details don't matter, and the optics are not good right now.

Would expect him to blow up GM on Twitter if he hasn't already.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:50 am to
Desirable part of the free market.

Make shitty products, get shitty results.

It's not like people have stopped buying cars. They're just not buying shitty GM products anymore. Some other company has or will take that business.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:56 am to
We're headed for an economic turndown. The dominos will just start to fall.
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4607 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:58 am to
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cars that have been struggling, including the Chevrolet Cruze, the Chevrolet Impala and the Cadillac XTS.
All of those cars are butt ugly. GM has had design problems for years. Their master design plan for the Chevy brand is "cheap looking"

Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:58 am to
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2) What a surprise it's going to be for the owner of an electric car, when the $4000.00 battery pack requires replacing. As I understand it, you can't just replace one defective battery they all have to be replaced in numerical order.


This is what's stopping me from making the jump to an electric vehicle. I have three vehicles and one of them is dedicated for local commuting because it's reliable and gets great gas mileage so I'm not worried about the limited range of electric vehicles. The biggest thing holding it back is the cost of battery replacement. Right now, the cost of battery replacement negates all previous years savings in gas. That makes it a wash. I've done the numbers with several different electric vehicles and they all work out the same many of them actually being more expensive total cost of ownership. And this is assuming you're buying the electric vehicle used.

The only thing that changes any of this is if the electric batteries get really cheap, nearly double in lifespan or dino fuel gets really expensive. Of course if the last one happens I'll probably just keep my combustion engines and start growing sugar cane and then distill ethanol.
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 11:02 am
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:59 am to
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Trump's magic wand is deregulation. He is not guaranteeing any company success. He is only giving them a chance to win or lose on their own merits.


This ideal is incomprehensible evil kryptonite to a progressive.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122917 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:00 am to
Winning the Midwest was great but it cuffs him to entitlements and shitty economic policy
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