re: GM Cuts 15% of it's salaried workforce, may close up to 5 North American plants

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This may be the dumbest shite I've ever read on here.

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I agree with him. I'm 40 and don't think I'll ever see >20% of self driving vehicles

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These plants build sedans and small cars, the market has moved away from them. People want trucks and SUVs.

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This is true for American "non-luxury" and sedan models that are largely front wheel drive only. They're just not enjoyable to drive and usually very average on the appearance side.

But then you look at sales on Challengers, Chargers, Mustangs, Camaros, etc and they're actually fairly strong. That's because they're RWD, have ties to older models, and are generally more fun to drive. Driving should be an "experience" and those cars actually make it one.

The RWD luxury saloon market is still going strong as well, and that's because those manufacturers have largely realized what appeals to Americans - 300+ HP rear wheel drive beasts with stiff suspensions and all sorts of sporty/track features. Those cars are an "experience" to drive and not just some soft plastic biscuit with wheels.

Honda and Toyota have done insanely good jobs with the styling on their popular sedan models - so much so that it makes up for the fact that they're FWD. The interiors have a sporty appeal to them and big, chunky steering wheels; they have sport modes, sporty wheels, and moderately strong engines. Those will appeal to the "in-betweeners" that want a sporty vehicle that's also practical.

TL;DR - the basic, unappealing plastic FWD sedan is what killed GM and Ford's car business, not anyone or anything else. The G8 almost single-handedly saved Pontiac from going under because it was a RWD sport saloon with a decent sized engine - unfortunately GM didn't learn. The Charger and Challenger DID save Dodge. Now GM is "angling for the future" because they don't think people want cars anymore. How stupid can they be?

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Electric and self driving cars are no more than a silly bubble. They are the robot vacuum cleaners of the auto industry.


This may be the dumbest shite I've ever read on here.

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8 years until they are totally functional

because it was "10 years" 2 years ago

Sure, they will all be able to know who merges first, who changes lanes first, who has the right of way, etc. and no one will ever disagree with the assessment

They should just move these plants to right to work states...
Like Mississippi.

frick unions.

I bought my wife a GMC terrain. Never frickimg again. She hates it and so do I.

Taxpayers, including GM's own workers, bailed their company out to save those jobs, and the workers get shafted & laid off anyway.
I get that people aren't buying sedans like they used too, but that is no reason to not shift production to trucks/SUVs in these areas.
And as the frickers do this, their stock rises.
Same story as always for this part of the country. Things will never be as they once were here, once they take what's left of the factories there aint nothing left
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Some jobs don't deserve to come back.

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I get being pissed about the bailouts, but saying that its ok that those people's jobs are gonna be gone because of it, that's really shitty by you

Good. I hope GM dies.

Economy getting stronger - fake news

Farmers first to get hammered and now auto industry. Time to invest in the sin stocks folks.

Gm makes crap cars no doubt. Still, Trump looks foolish saying they better replace it. 1 billion tariff cost cited certainly doesn't help. It's a global integrated economy despite what politicians say. Trade wars are not the answer. Smoot Hawley tariff act preceeded the depression. Get ready. trump on gm plant closure