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re: “Globalization is the redistribution of American wealth to foreign countries.”
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:04 pm to Robin Masters
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:04 pm to Robin Masters
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Everyone makes public the price they are willing to accept
Bait and switch. That's not what's being discussed.
You're forcing it in so you can hide behind the dishonest MAGA rhetoric described above.
Stating our goal being tax revenue, bringing jobs back, or "Fair trade" gives no advantage to countries, as their desire to negotiate has nothing to do with these things. Also, Trump has stated all 3 as his goals anyway, so the proverbial cat is already out of the bag.
Swing and a miss.
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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MAGA isnt capitalist. Its Mercantilist. They hate capitalism and free enterprise.
We don’t live under capitalism. We socialized the debt.
You and I are on the hook. And we got nothing for it.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:06 pm to dgnx6
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We don’t live under capitalism. We socialized the debt.
The conflation continues...
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:07 pm to Robin Masters
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Sort of like how you are distorting the intent by calling it a tax is a way to scare people into an unfavorable opinion of “Trumps tariff”. A leverage tool designed to illicit a behavior.
What behavior is being illicited?
If you're telling someone that you want to force them to exclusively buy all supplies and labor (in the United States) as inputs into goods and services provided to consumers in the United States, and that you hope to accomplish this by placing a tariff/tax on all imports, then you'd better be prepared to explain how we are able to source all of these raw materials and supplies exclusively within the United States, using overpriced American labor, with factories that are up and running already here.
The problem is that because we don't make much here (and because we have to source a lot of raw materials and supplies from other countries), and our labor standards and costs are different that many countries globally, you're pissing in the wind if you think that imposing tariffs is going to illicit the response you want with whatever leverage you think you may have.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Bait and switch. That's not what's being discussed. You're forcing it in so you can hide behind the dishonest MAGA rhetoric described above. Stating our goal being tax revenue, bringing jobs back, or "Fair trade" gives no advantage to countries, as their desire to negotiate has nothing to do with these things. Also, Trump has stated all 3 as his goals anyway, so the proverbial cat is already out of the bag. Swing and a miss.
No, you want Trump to declare what he will accept in order to drop the tariffs and that won’t happen for the reasons which would be obvious even to the most inbred horse trader.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:08 pm to BuckyCheese
Stephen Miller is everything SFP aspires to be.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:10 pm to Robin Masters
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No, you want Trump to declare what he will accept
Nope.
It's about declaring the goal of the negotiation, not the limits of his desires outcomes via negotiations to reach that goal.
Explain the specific disadvantages created if Trump says this tariff policy is to establish fair trade.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:11 pm to Rebel
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Stephen Miller is everything SFP aspires to be.
Stephen Miller?
May be the meanest thing ever said to me on here.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's about declaring the goal of the negotiation,
Which is getting the best outcome. A destination yet to be determined because the negotiations are not yet complete.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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May be the meanest thing ever said to me on here.
Another feather in my cap.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:15 pm to dgnx6
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We don’t live under capitalism.
Thats the problem, and needs to be fixed.
Going toward more central planning is not fixing anything.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
I've been following this.
But I can't believe so many of them still don't even understand the basic mechanism of a tariff - and what it does to consumers' choices in the market.
But I can't believe so many of them still don't even understand the basic mechanism of a tariff - and what it does to consumers' choices in the market.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:18 pm to Harry Boutte
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and what it does to consumers' choices in the market.
I believe some hard lessons are about to be learned.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:23 pm to Robin Masters
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Which is getting the best outcome.
The putative pivot remains
You realize but I never declaring an actual plan and goal, you're just ensuring that Trump can never be wrong, right? Because if you had to come out and state what a goal was, when it didn't happen there could be no pivot saying that he was right.
You do realize that that's the whole purpose of this dishonest rhetoric, right?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:24 pm to Rebel
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Another feather in my cap.
His brand and personality are the equivalent of diverticulitis
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:24 pm to Robin Masters
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Correct. But that’s not a tax.
Yes it is. It's the same old market manipulation the government does via taxation every other time. You don't see it, because there's something in your eye.
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It’s a leverage tool
Yep, that's often what taxes are - tools to encourage certain behavior in the economy.
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Sort of like how you are distorting the intent by calling it a tax is a way to scare people into an unfavorable opinion of “Trumps tariff”.
I think I see what's in your eye, blinding you.
Here, look at what you said, again:
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[It's not a tax, it's a] 'leverage tool' designed to illicit a behavior.
Can you see it now?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You realize but I never declaring an actual plan and goal, you're just ensuring that Trump can never be wrong, right? Because if you had to come out and state what a goal was, when it didn't happen there could be no pivot saying that he was right. You do realize that that's the whole purpose of this dishonest rhetoric, right?
What silly thing to rustle your jimmies over.
Please link me to the last politician/political party that admitted they were wrong.
Economic metrics will determine if he was right or wrong.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:28 pm to AU86
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because of corporate greed
You could have stopped right there.
Example: An iPhone 15 cost Apple roughly $462 in R&D, parts, labor, and shipping according to Google. Why do they sell for $1400? Because idiots can't quit buying them. Same for most other similar products. You can get a 77in quality TV and a year's worth of streaming and internet for less than $1400.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:28 pm to Robin Masters
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Economic metrics will determine if he was right or wrong.
Yall will not believe them.
We've been throught these routines, a few years ago
Either yall dont believe the info, or Trump was set up by Rinos.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:29 pm to BuckyCheese
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“Globalization is the redistribution of American wealth to foreign countries.”
Idiots, half a century too late and totally wrong.
The GREATEST redistribution of American industrial wealth occurred in the 1970's in the 1st and 2nd oil shocks. Folks forget the guys from OPEC and the emptying of a century at least of US industrial wealth.
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