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re: “Globalization is the redistribution of American wealth to foreign countries.”
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:44 pm to Robin Masters
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:44 pm to Robin Masters
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Trumps tariffs are a fulcrum on which to leverage more fair trade policies.
Keep telling yourself that
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:44 pm to BuckyCheese
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Miller is absolutely correct. I have pointed this out for years. Without us and "globalization", the Chinese would still be living in mud huts and eating dirt versus being our adversary.
Globalization was sold as the panacea to all the world's ills via fear mongering (the hordes would overrun and slaughter the West, if we didn't help them get on their feet and become self sufficient).
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That's one theory.
It’s not a theory. The devil will be in how he defines “fair”.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:46 pm to Robin Masters
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It’s not a theory.
I say theory because the goals are as malleable as terms like "globalization" and "lawfare". They change by the argument.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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goals are as malleable as terms like "globalization" and "lawfare". They change by the argument.
Negotiations are malleable depending on the circumstances and information. Daily changes in the price of stocks should have tipped you off.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:49 pm to Robin Masters
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Negotiations are malleable depending on the circumstances and information.
Negotiations aren't policy goals.
They're a means to policy goals.
You can't have multiple policy goals that can't co-exist.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:50 pm to Robin Masters
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Trumps tariffs are a fulcrum on which to leverage more fair trade policies.
Let me work on that for you...
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Trumps tariffs are a tax on American consumers that may act as a fulcrum on which to leverage more fair trade policies.
There, I think that's more accurate.
The mechanism of a tariff works to dissuade the purchase of imported goods, and encourage the purchase of domestic goods. That's it.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:51 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Deciding that we would rather be making t-shirts instead of doing more sophisticated scientific and engineering feats is a bizarre one from some MAGAs.
You’re implying that the same group of Americans would be doing both of these. Poor engineers and scientists abandoning their work to get a job in a textile factory.
We can do both. Continue to advance our research and technology, while providing employment for people with limited job skills.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:51 pm to BuckyCheese
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By suppressing wages/limiting job opportunities for a large swath of the populace it also created a large class of people dependent upon the government.
Those who challenge this are overlooking the fundamental principles of supply and demand.
A large class of people with a growing life span who aren't productive PLUS this Green Steal shite, has killed the West.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Negotiations aren't policy goals. They're a means to policy goals. You can't have multiple policy goals that can't co-exist.
Policy goals are to achieve the best outcomes for its citizens.
Those goals will change based on market conditions.
Negotiations will achieve the aforementioned policy goals.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:53 pm to High C
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You’re implying that the same group of Americans would be doing both of these. Poor engineers and scientists abandoning their work to get a job in a textile factory.
We can do both. Continue to advance our research and technology,
The problem is "our research and technology" industries rely on the money being redistributed to inefficient outputs.
They will have to downsize accordingly to this loss, so fewer engineers and scientists and less research and technology output (which is much more valuable than the output of the textile factory benefiting from this redistribution).
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:55 pm to Robin Masters
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Policy goals are to achieve the best outcomes for its citizens.
But they won't state those policy goals and they change based on the conversation. That's the point
These tariffs are either to bring back inefficient manufacturing jobs or to "create fair trade". Those 2 goals can't co-exist, just as we can't "create fair trade" and rely on tariffs as tax revenue generation (as the fair trade eliminates the tariffs).
So which is it?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That's one theory.
I would say it's more of a hope.
It's just crazy to me that Trump supporters still don't understand that his tariffs are a tax on American consumers. And further, that this tax is an effort NOT to have other nations drop their tariffs, but rather an effort to try to balance the trade values between the US and other countries - whether that's done through dropping tariffs or not.
I guess it may happen that we see the trade deficit drop, but I don't think the largest economy on the planet can expect everyone else to just roll over.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:57 pm to BuckyCheese
It’s been raising everyone’s standard of living since the advent of city-states
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:57 pm to Harry Boutte
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The mechanism of a tariff works to dissuade the purchase of imported goods, and encourage the purchase of domestic goods. That's it.
Correct. But that’s not a tax.
It’s a leverage tool first and foremost and in the way Trump is clearly intending them.
Sort of like how you are distorting the intent by calling it a tax is a way to scare people into an unfavorable opinion of “Trumps tariff”. A leverage tool designed to illicit a behavior.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:58 pm to High C
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Continue to advance our research and technology, while providing employment for people with limited job skills.
Is it the government's responsibility to guarantee someone a job or help them their skills to be competitive in a global economy or is it the responsibility of the individual.
This sounds like the folks in Appalachia waiting on the coal jobs to come back home, but they somehow never do.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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But they won't state those policy goals and they change based on the conversation. That's the point
lol. Wow, a shrewd negotiator you are not!
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:59 pm to Harry Boutte
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It's just crazy to me that Trump supporters still don't understand that his tariffs are a tax on American consumers
There are 3 responses, depending on the goal (which, as I stated above, is constantly changing and a moving target so they don't have to commit, as usual).
1. "Tariffs won't raise prices" (for the "bring manufacturing home" goal)
2. "We'll lower the tariffs once we have fair trade"
3. "Tariffs are a trade off for lower income taxes"
Again, these 3 goals cannot co-exist at the same time, but that's the NPC talking points for the choose your own adventure of MAGA avoiding having to commit.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:00 pm to Robin Masters
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Wow, a shrewd negotiator you are not!
OH here we go. We've reached the 2nd level of MAGA dishonest rhetoric
We're at the "ART OF THE DEAL" excuse
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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OH here we go. We've reached the 2nd level of MAGA dishonest rhetoric We're at the "ART OF THE DEAL" excuse
Yes. Everyone makes public the price they are willing to accept before they start taking bids. JFC dude
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