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re: Give Ukraine everything they need! Weaken Russia as much as possible!

Posted on 12/23/22 at 1:53 am to
Posted by mjfrog93
Member since Aug 2018
1038 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 1:53 am to
Yeah what TBird said.

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Trump is corrupt as all can be, but y’all look the other way when it’s “your guy”.


So what do we have on Trump?
Pee tapes. False
Tax Evasion. False
Russia Collusion. After millions of our tax dollars spent on the narrative. False
Some execs got to ride in a luxury car to do business. Um True? Maybe? Maybe like every other high-end execs get to do? Good luck with that.

So what do you really have on Trump to convey to the masses, that he's corrupt? Mean tweets? Never mind the hundreds of thousands of mean tweets to counter, not to him, but every American that believes his vision.

Now, how about you address Biden and Hilldawg showing up for the funeral of former KKK grand cyclops Robert Byrd, or their support for Planned Parenthood that dealt in a black-market/dark-web for fetus parts, and not to mention pushed for abortions heavily skewed to black communities. How about that level of corruption? Show me how Trump is worse than that crap! That's the tip of the iceburg for just those clowns alone! Do me a favor and go to a bar in Haiti and tell everyone how much of a wonderful job the Clinton Foundation bettered their lives.


Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53771 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 5:04 am to
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but it’s better the public know less about our government’s foreign policy.


Brother...our government is corrupt...and might be the "the bad guys"...in the big picture
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
7170 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 7:25 am to
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A sane person to an insane society must appear insane


You’re cheerleading for nuclear Armageddon.

Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 7:47 am to
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and we've been ruled by Two Presidents who weren't even born here

Ummm Obummer...and?
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
4349 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 7:52 am to
The level of US Debt is a significantly larger threat to US National Security that Russia is ….. that’s just fact.

We cannot afford a proxy war designed to benefit crooked pols and the WEF …

This post was edited on 12/23/22 at 7:53 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260206 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 7:54 am to
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Yeah, I’m sure you done so much heavy lifting in you life, Jimmy.
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Overly emotional bullshite.

Its not our war, we interjected ourselves and fricked up. Now we're trying to cover our arse.

This is a foreign policy shithole created by our attempt to install a puppet regime in 2014. Nothing good comes from it.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24833 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:48 am to
Using Nazis to defeat commies.

Interesting plan. It’s almost like we decided the outcome of WWII wasn’t to our liking and we are having a do over.
This post was edited on 12/23/22 at 8:49 am
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
16917 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 10:52 am to
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I believe in Jesus Christ and I’m not worried about nuclear bombs.

We doing the right thing whether y’all agree or not. Hate to say it, but it’s better the public know less about our government’s foreign policy.


Lmao. Yes, this is the sane foreign policy leadership this country needs. Leaders who don't give a frick if they start a nuclear apocalypse with their decisions because they believe in the afterlife.

Not even worth addressing the substantive differences between the USSR and a non-Communist Russian state.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
20399 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 11:08 am to
lol
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19440 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 11:19 am to
Putin’s War In Ukraine Is Now A Historic Disaster

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Russian President Vladimir Putin planned a short war that would illustrate Russian military might and bolster his country’s claim to sit at the high table of world politics, despite a corrupted economy too small for a great power.


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Russia does not have this luxury. Its economy is 7% of the size of America’s; to fight a long war will be profoundly economically disruptive. And Putin’s dictatorship is fundamentally unstable. Putin is vulnerable to a coup if he does not win his war of choice in Ukraine.


https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/12/putins-war-in-ukraine-is-now-a-historic-disaster/
Posted by TH095526
Member since Dec 2022
888 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 11:36 am to
You are a dipshit this fight was never ours to begin with this will kill more servicemen and women and only because Joe Biden has special interests there and it's interesting you call Putin a warmonger when Zelenskyy is exactly the same if not worse. Russia would likely not be invading Ukraine if Trump was still president.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
6802 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 11:44 am to
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We doing the right thing whether y’all agree or not.


And when we can't fund our military because we've given Ukraine endless amounts of taxpayer dollars, then what? Do you think Ukraine has seen the full weight of the Russian military?
Posted by DrNO
Kenner,LA
Member since Jan 2004
162 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 11:47 am to
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53205 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 11:48 am to
Ted Nugent has some thoughts.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19440 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 12:21 pm to


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Budapest Memorandum

On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain, and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state. The four parties signed the memorandum, containing a preamble and six paragraphs. The memorandum reads as follows:[10]

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,

Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.

Confirm the following:

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State.

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.

—?Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine’s Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons[10]




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Budapest_Memorandum
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