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re: Girl weeps as she recalls seeing naked trans woman with penis in women's changing room

Posted on 1/14/23 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 12:39 pm to
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Ricardo
An honest response. I like that. Refreshing.

Now, is there some objective, substantive reason for your position, or is it simply a visceral/emotional reaction.

This is not some trap. As I said, I appreciate honesty. If you just find it "icky," I accept that. But if you have an objective reason for your position, I am interested to hear it.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 1:15 pm
Posted by Tigerinthewoods
In the woods
Member since Oct 2009
1243 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 12:42 pm to
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'As I was showering after my workout I saw a naked male in the women's locker room,' she said.



"There is no danger here, nothing to be concerned about. This naked person is simply misunderstood. This girl needs to get over herself."

Liberal thinking out loud
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29826 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 12:50 pm to
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For most of human history we ran around butt arse naked and lived communally, now we need separate buildings just to pee, yay progress. The only reason there is any reaction to seeing another human in any state of dress is taught into children, they were not born with it.


Then the tranny should not mind using the mens room. Glad we resolved this issue.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17047 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 12:51 pm to
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she says was a transgender woman inside the women's changing rooms at her local YMCA.


Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
18075 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 12:54 pm to
Why, in today’s America, does this mental defective’s right to feel safe take precedence over real women’s rights to feel safe? He’s outnumbered. There are far fewer trannies who want to use the ladies’ rooms than there are real women who welcome the trannies in their bathrooms. Democracy!
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 1:06 pm to
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Why, in today’s America, does this mental defective’s right to feel safe take precedence over real women’s rights to feel safe? He’s outnumbered.
I admit to being ambivalent on the locker room issue. I can see both sides, and I can admit that both sides have valid concerns.

As to your question, I think we need to ask whether a given concern over "safety" is either reasonable or rational and whether we will expose one person to a significant danger due to the IRRATIONAL "fear" of another.

Like it or not, a TG male in the men's locker room is in far greater REAL danger of some sort of physical assault than is a woman sharing a locker room with an actual MTF TG. For confirmation, look no further than the preceding page and the number of posters who want to commit an assault upon a TG. Which is why, IMO, we must balance the likelihood that a given dick belongs to a peeping Tom or to an actual TG.

Put another way, do we place a higher priority (i) upon the general discomfort of ten women about sharing a locker room or (ii) upon the real possibility of one MTF TG getting assaulted and hospitalized?

IMO, a utility analysis weighs in favor or protecting one person from substantial harm, versus protecting a greater number of people from a much smaller composite harm. Yes, that analysis WILL sometimes result in a woman getting assaulted by a rapist wearing a maillot. But it seems to me that this will happen FAR less often than a bunch of guys hospitalizing a MTF TG who walks into THEIR locker room wearing a woman's bathing suit. Utility balancing.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 1:09 pm
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4893 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 1:19 pm to
Again. I would rather every TG MTF die by getting thrown off a building than expose one girl to being molested by some freak feeling empowered to be where he shouldn't be. Not sorry if that offends some.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 1:26 pm to
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Not sorry if that offends some.
I do not find it "offensive" at all. Assigning values in this sort of analysis is inherently subjective.

If I understand you, you are saying that you would prefer that (a) 100 MTF TG folks be assaulted and killed each year, rather than (b) one female be assaulted (and not killed) by a rapist pretending to be a TG.

Those are your values. Thank you for the candor. Again, honesty is refreshing.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 1:41 pm
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4893 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 1:31 pm to
While I'm being honest. I want to say this. Do I feel sorry for anyone suffering with body dysmorphia? Sure. I do. I want them to get well. But I disagree with the assertion that confirming their dysmorphia is the cure. I would rather treat them as sick and needing mental health treatment that involves them coming to grips with reality and helping them understand that they are in fact, the gender of their anatomy.

IMO, it's cruel to treat these people as if they're normal. There are a lot of well-intentioned people causing more harm than they know.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 1:41 pm to
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The logic is astonishing

You’re overlooking the fact that progressives are incapable of thinking logically.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 1:47 pm to
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(insert the usual litany of insults, personal attacks & general childishness) It isn't particularly clever, but it probably makes you feel good about yourself.

“As a supporter of the sexualization of children, I have no problem with the situation described in the op. I’m going to make another unnecessarily wordy post to indirectly support the freakshow the op is about while claiming i don’t support it. But before I do that, I should probably put a disclaimer at the top of the post to attempt to discredit the people that will call out my support of the sexualization of children.”
Posted by Tigerinthewoods
In the woods
Member since Oct 2009
1243 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 1:48 pm to
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There are a lot of well-intentioned people causing more harm than they know.



They are not well-intentioned at all. In fact, they are aware of the harm they cause and are satisfied with the results. Otherwise known as EVIL.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:04 pm to
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Do I feel sorry for anyone suffering with body dysmorphia? Sure. I do. I want them to get well. But I disagree with the assertion that confirming their dysmorphia is the cure. I would rather treat them as sick and needing mental health treatment that involves them coming to grips with reality and helping them understand that they are in fact, the gender of their anatomy.

IMO, it's cruel to treat these people as if they're normal. There are a lot of well-intentioned people causing more harm than they know.
These folks have a tough row to hoe.

Candidly, I doubt that many of them ever come to see themselves as "normal." Their internal chemistry is just to screwed-up for that to ever be possible. The best that they can hope to find, and that society can hope to give them, is a life in which they are as well-adjusted as they are capable of becoming.

IMO, sometimes that may involve transition, and sometimes it may not. The rush to transition everyone strikes me as being as ill-advised as attempting to force everyone into some sort of conversion therapy.

JMO.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42638 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:06 pm to
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trans woman with penis



There is ABSOLUTELY no excuse to use this language - UNLESS you are one of the idiots who believe in it.

These kinds of things should AT LEAST be preceded by the ubiquitous "alleged" which is how the media throws doubt on any breaking news they don't love.

As for me, I would go to more nondescript verbiage = "bipedal creature with a penis"
===> THAT covers ALL possible transections within the animal kingdom. no possibility of misgendering/misclassifying someones hysteria.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
38919 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:09 pm to
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I assume(leaving out nefarious reasons) if you have a penis, and you choose to use a locker room with naked female minors over the boys/men’s locker room, that you are EXTREMELY uncomfortable using the men’s locker room.


Which I don't understand. What are they afraid of?
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
38919 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:10 pm to
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Bonus points to her for using the correct pronouns.


She'll get canceled for that.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46151 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:15 pm to
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This is the problem; she should've gotten a few boys or some other girls and kicked his arse

Really the only way this gets solved. Politicians are too fricking scared of social media warriors from outside their area to protects actual constituents.


Why hasn’t this ^^^ happened yet?

I have to believe the vast majority of Americans know this trans BS is merely a form of mental illness. It’s inexplicable how a minority of whacked out leftist lunatics have managed to completely skew societal norms to the bizarre.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:16 pm to
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Open Your Eyes
supporter of the sexualization of children
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
38919 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:16 pm to
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Odd that no one ever seems to express any concern about that particular brand of lust.


My wife can protect herself from a lesbian woman making advances. She can't protect herself from a 6'2" transgendered man built like a tank.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:21 pm to
As per usual, you are incapable of defending your stupidity.
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