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re: Get. Us. The. frick. Out. Of. The. Middle. East.

Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:49 pm to
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:49 pm to
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Please share WTF you think Iraq had to do with 9-11?



You're a special kind of stupid. Where did I say that that shite hole Middle East was limited to Iraq?
This post was edited on 12/31/19 at 8:50 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:49 pm to
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BTW I am in the ME right now.
You're making a large amount of money as a contractor.
Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
16652 posts
Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:50 pm to
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They won't rot. Russia or China will prop them up to be a growing thorn in our side.



You’re getting awfully close to an actual conversation bro. Your poliboard bros might turn on you.

But seriously, good. I’d rather them spend money than us spend bodies.

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don't believe they did.


What did they do?

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agree and that's why I can't get fired up either way. I just get a bit bothered by the certainty of either side in this issue.


Fair enough. I’m of the opinion that too many Americans have died already. Maybe I’m not seeing the bigger picture.
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:52 pm to
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I am in the ME right now.



Volunteer serving for peanuts or cashing in?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68431 posts
Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:54 pm to
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You’re getting awfully close to an actual conversation bro. Your poliboard bros might turn on you.

But seriously, good. I’d rather them spend money than us spend bodies.

I meant prop them up militarily and foment anger towards the West.
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What did they do?
They liberated thousands who are not terrorist debris. Ask some veterans that question, I have.
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Maybe I’m not seeing the bigger picture.
That's my point, none of us can, pro or con.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:24 pm to
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You short sided idiots already forgot 9-11 and really think we can just pullout of that hellhole? We are there permanent. We have no fricking choice.


So we invaded Saudi Arabia after 911?

Oh wait.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
10151 posts
Posted on 1/1/20 at 2:25 am to
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It is not nearly as low as the metaphorical average of, say, the Vietnam disaster.

Spread Vietnam over say...20 years. Yep...exactly the same.

We will never fix the middle east...get out...move on.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 1/1/20 at 4:52 am to
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prefer not to pull up and run when ever our embassies are attacked but I'm not a scared little bitch


Agreed.Do these people not realize that the Embassy is American soil?

Just put our tail between our legs a let Iran and their sociopathic proxies attack us?BTW it's not the 1st time...they have well documented history of thjs horseshite.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
20026 posts
Posted on 1/1/20 at 5:14 am to
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Agreed.Do these people not realize that the Embassy is American soil?

Just put our tail between our legs a let Iran and their sociopathic proxies attack us?BTW it's not the 1st time...they have well documented history of thjs horse shite.


I’d be willing to bet nobody arguing to leave is doing it because of this one incident. I know my OP wasn’t.

We need to not be in the position for incidents like this to occur in the first place.

Stop taking the bait. .
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 5:54 am to
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So we invaded Saudi Arabia after 911?



No. But maybe we should have based on all the terrorist organizations they secretly fund. I'd be all for pulling out of that shite hole and raising it with nukes.

But we cannot leave the middle east anytime soon. We simply have to keep their heads down over there and kill and impede their leadership and organizing as much as we can. If they take over Afghanistan and Iraq we'd be in deep shite down the road. Let Iran become the dominant influence in the Middle East? We will be under constant assault over here.

You cannot take the short sided approach and say let's just get the hell out cause it's a war we can't win. We aren't over there to "win", we're over there to occupy and kill.

This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 7:46 am
Posted by tidalmouse
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 8:07 am to
POTUS has done something brilliant.

He's gotten Prime Minister Abe of Japan to send a significant number of Ships to the Straits of Hormuz.
Japan is paying the bill.

POTUS has charged Abe with the mission of cooling down tensions with Iran while using Japan's formidable Navy to keep the Straits of Hormuz open.

Japan's presence there should allow us to totally get out of the M.E.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40194 posts
Posted on 1/1/20 at 8:11 am to
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Agreed, we should be pulling out,


Man rule #4: When messing around with crazy, it is always better to PULL OUT!
Posted by OleWar
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Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 1/1/20 at 8:19 am to
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I know I don't know. That's why I'm not so strident in my position. Suggesting we're batting .000 though, is not accurate. Could be .100 or could be .406 or .600. We don't know. It is not nearly as low as the metaphorical average of, say, the Vietnam disaster


I would say based on our real national strategy goals we are .100. We have managed to eliminate most of the threats to Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States by destabilizing any potential competitors in the region.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 1/1/20 at 8:21 am to
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But we cannot leave the middle east anytime soon. We simply have to keep their heads down over there and kill and impede their leadership and organizing as much as we can.


I'd be fine keeping troops in the ME countries that are our allies. No sense in being in countries that don't want us there. 9/11 happened due to our meddling in the ME to begin with. There's enough allies in the area to keep our troops in if need be, to be able to respond anywhere quickly if the occasion arises. No reason to be in Syria or Afghanistan. As far as Iraq, if the leadership doesn't want us there, I'm good with us getting out. Nothing we have done there other than killing Bin Laden has revenged us for 9/11, all we did was lose thousands of troops, and kill 100s of 1,000s of innocent civilians, and have paid billions doing it. We can quit meddling in their affairs, stay out, and I can assure you they'd stop giving a frick about us after a few decades.

ETA: My 9/11 comment was about Afghanistan, I don't believe Iraq had shite to do with 9/11 and killing Hussein was a foreign policy disaster.
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 8:23 am
Posted by Possumslayer
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Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 8:25 am to
Maybe a dozen cia guys with suitcase nukes strategically placed through out Iraq and Iran.
Posted by CFFreak
Rjyh, AL
Member since May 2019
8765 posts
Posted on 1/1/20 at 8:48 am to
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Too bad the American political establishment loves dead American soldiers and wasted taxpayer dollars.



Oh you must mean conservative "patriots" who never served? Yeah, you're right about that.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:19 am to
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We need to not be in the position for incidents like this to occur in the first place


Having an Embassy in a foreign country? Responding to organizations that attack our citizens?

Bet you were doing back flips when we did nothing after Iran shot down our drone.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
20026 posts
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:37 am to
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Having an Embassy in a foreign country? Responding to organizations that attack our citizens?

Bet you were doing back flips when we did nothing after Iran shot down our drone.

Now you’re just being a troll.

We have embassies in other violent shitholes, too. Why is this one being attacked?

Again, are you willing to send your son to go there and fight for whatever it is we are trying to accomplish in Iraq or Afghanistan at this point?
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 10:38 am
Posted by pcolatiger28
Pensacola, Fl
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:43 am to
If you believe in the God of the Bible, these things must come to pass.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:45 am to
I prefer not to pull up and run when ever our embassies are attacked but I'm not a scared little bitch.

Goatmilker




"You got kids in the military you’re ready to send over there?"






Yes I have a son getting ready to go to Paris island but that is not the question.

Do we protect our Embassies when attacked and do we fold them up and abandon them around the world when attacked?

I say no. I say make attacking our Embassies a poor decision lest we give licence to them being attacked everywhere.
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