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Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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And also because only 30% of the folks there attend college.
I happen to consider that the MODEL!
There is a reason college entrance exams literally cause Japanese and Korean kids to be suicidal if they don't do well. There are exceedingly limited slots. You actually have to be qualified to go to college to do so!
In America? Yeah. Gimme a break. When you include community colleges, who the frick isn't qualified that isn't mentally retarded?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I believe it is pretty difficult to attend college in germany, and it has to do with how education is structured there. Basically when you are ten years old you take a test. Based on the results, you either attend a "realschule", a "hauptschule", or a "gymasnium". Students at the former two are taught trades like plumbing, and maybe can attend a trade school. Students in the gymnasium, placed there due to intellectual superiority, are prepped for college. Students at the gymnasium take the "Abitur", which is kind of like ACT/SAT. It is a very comprehensive and difficult test, and determines which colleges you can attend.
A lot of countries do it like this. However, if we were to send our students they'd probably qualify for plumbing only. When they test, they don't conduct paper tests but conduct one on one examinations with the professor. In the States any dipshit can qualify for college and get a degree, some earn it and some weasle their way through it.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:27 pm to NYNolaguy1
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When you have welders and plumbers making more than engineers and lawyers (most not all), you know you have a problem.
What an American South thing to say. They don't make more than engineers but I don't have a problem with welders making good money.
It's not a problem. It just shows how culturally adverse we are to doing manual labor. Tons of people going out and getting engineering degrees but most don't want to weld. It's supply and demand.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:39 pm to NYNolaguy1
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That's the problem in the US. When you have welders and plumbers making more than engineers and lawyers (most not all), you know you have a problem.
Disagree. Many go to college so they don't have to work hard. Blue collar workers with a valuable skill are worth their pay. I know a lot of construction or trade workers who make six figures and I wouldn't want to do what they do.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:23 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I wish we would do this. It is an investment in our country's future to have more highly educated individuals. This is how you attack the income gap.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:47 am to upgrayedd
Who cares, it's Germany.....you know the country that got bent over twice by the world and then told to take their wall down and whose chicks have underarm hair.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:49 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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It really isn't. Most European nations don't charge tuition. It actually costs the government less than our way of doing things here (through loans).
Yeah, but American colleges kick the shite out of basically every country but the UK, which is comparable.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:51 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Germany as a whole probably has better universities than the US, but it's close.
Ummmm, no. It's not close. German universities aren't really in the same stratosphere as American ones. Really only the UK can be comparable. Say what you will about our high schools, but America's universities are basically the educational envy of the world, and everyone wants to study here. Don't know where you pulled that one from, but I think even the Germans would disagree with you here.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:52 am to jmarto1
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I wish we would do this. It is an investment in our country's future to have more highly educated individuals. This is how you attack the income gap.
I'm not so sure that would be the outcome. If everyone has a college degree, the advantage then becomes connections, unpaid internships, graduate school, and other factors that are based on social class rather than intelligence and work ethic.
Plus if your parents are poor, free tuition doesn't necessarily mean access to college because you still have to support yourself while you work on your degree.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:55 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I believe it is pretty difficult to attend college in germany, and it has to do with how education is structured there. Basically when you are ten years old you take a test. Based on the results, you either attend a "realschule", a "hauptschule", or a "gymasnium". Students at the former two are taught trades like plumbing, and maybe can attend a trade school. Students in the gymnasium, placed there due to intellectual superiority, are prepped for college. Students at the gymnasium take the "Abitur", which is kind of like ACT/SAT. It is a very comprehensive and difficult test, and determines which colleges you can attend.
That doesn't make it better, just more difficult to get into. They do this same shite in third world countries. And you're talking more about what high schools do to prepare them for college, not what the colleges themselves do. Yes, Germany almost certainly has a better school system than we do, but it's certainly not the case for universities.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:00 am to barry
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You can apply for a student loan and spend the money on whatever the hell you want. Thats the problem. They just fork over thousands of dollars to 18 year olds with no idea what the money goes to.
My loan goes to the school first, then to me after tuitions is paid.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:01 am to jmarto1
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I wish we would do this. It is an investment in our country's future to have more highly educated individuals
I'll disagree to a point. What about students that start college on the taxpayer's dime but yet fail to receive their degree? Should they just be forgiven for spending my and your money with no end result from that generosity?
I don't know about you but that is a gamble that I am not willing to take.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:07 am to ShortyRob
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n America? Yeah. Gimme a break. When you include community colleges, who the frick isn't qualified that isn't mentally retarded?
Well the average ACT score for Grambling is a 13 so even the mentallyretarded are qualified.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:48 am to TheSexecutioner
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I currently am attending graduate school in Germany. For free.
I attended graduate school in the US for free, and they paid me a stipend. Same as every other PhD student in a basic science. Of course I had to work 45+ hours a week in lab, but that's where the actual training comes from
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:06 pm to WeeWee
quote:LOL. My oldest could've gotten a 13 in the 7th grade.
Well the average ACT score for Grambling is a 13 so even the mentallyretarded are qualified.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:09 pm to Beachtiger
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everything should be free. including lunch.
I was taught there is no such thing.
(And there isn't.)
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:13 pm to ShortyRob
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LOL. My oldest could've gotten a 13 in the 7th grade.
I don't think it's that low, but I'm sure it's still pretty bad. I took the ACT in the 7th grade as a part of the Duke University TIP program, and I don't remember any of us scoring that poorly.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 6:13 pm to Ace Midnight
Don't know if it was mentioned. But those German Universities aren't anything like ours. No sports. No plush dorms. No LSU water park. 
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Higher education is now free
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free of charge in Germany.
Imagine all of the people who work and support the German universities doing it for free! Wonderful people! The construction companies building for the university for free!
The energy companies donating the power for free! All the farmers send free food to universities! Don't forget all the free medical care!
How the world should be! What a Utopia!
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