re: Germany abolishes college tuition fees

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That's great and all, and I wouldn't even noticed all this if it was kids being kids without serious money loses happening, but.... That tax money could feed a hungry kid or could fix our messed up bridges across this country. Seems the adults shouldn't allow an environment for kids to be just kids.

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Well adults caused the problem, adults told my generation that you have to go to college or you won't be successful. Adults set up our school system to only prepare kids for college and not being able to get a decent job straight out of high school.

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Either make college free or make a system that isn't so abused. That's what Adults are suppose to do, protect kids from themselves sometimes. Lots of predatory Student loan lending happening too from my little time researcher all this. These loans are like having an unprotected cookie-jar in a house of hungry kids. Gonna end up with a bunch of fat kids and broke kids when all is said and done.

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First of all, nothing is free. Somebody is paying for you to be there. Second, nobody forced these kids to sign up for those loans. Third, if a kid is stupid enough to borrow thousands of $$$ for a liberal arts degree then they deserve what they get, you have to learn responsiblity sometime. If a student borrows $$$ for a degree that will get them a good job and they can pay off the loan in 10-20 years then that is smart. If graduate college in 5 years you are 23 (assuming you started at 18) then you take 20 years to pay off the loan (which is a really long time to pay off an undergrad loan) you are still only 43 when it is paid off.

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Disagree. Why should engineers and lawyers automatically be considered more valuable than people with skilled trades?

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My point isnt that one is more valuable than the other. My point is that one is making more money in way less time with less debt. Universities in the US are the problem.

Meh

I got a 4 year degree, with no financial help for my parents (unless you count living with them for almost free), and my total debt at graduation was about 40% of my gross income at my first job. Paying my loans off just fine.

I'm not sure what the issue is.

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Meh I got a 4 year degree, with no financial help for my parents (unless you count living with them for almost free), and my total debt at graduation was about 40% of my gross income at my first job. Paying my loans off just fine. I'm not sure what the issue is.

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Your loans are being paid
There's no possible issues for anyone now?
Should everyone move along, and stop posting
The world is OK, no worries right?

Those with tough loan times, move along
There's plenty of jobs for everyone after school
No worries, those loan payments will go away soon


Let me go extreme for a second, I tend to do that sometimes. Does a child not eating tonight bother you or do you have something to eat tonight so it's all good there too? Maybe you don't have pain right now so the person who has pain tonight shouldn't worry either, should they? See how selfish your thinking sounds when I put it that way. I was just was shocked at the great student aid migration my 1st semester earlier in this thread. I don't have loans problems either but some people do. Plus, some who don't know any better fall into trouble by getting loans they shouldn't get. Just because it's not a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a possible problem is my point.

I mean, why not pay professors more than HS teachers and provide public education at the college level? If you want to go to college then you should be given the opportunity to learn. I don't believe it should be for the wealthy few or for people who have to go into debt for half their life?

The system is ridiculous, and now we are about to have a student loan crisis. These lenders are predatory in nature. Just giving loans to students without making sure the money goes to were its suppose to is insane. I am going to sound crazy but if you are going to give relief to irresponsible banks and lenders to save the economy then I don't see why we can't give the people with student loan debts relief? I would rather free up some of that debt which would give millions in despoable income to a generation needing help.

This is the liberal in me coming out I guess

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30% of German HS grads go to college.

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Last October, 65.9% of Americans did.

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That number is even more absurd when you take into account the fact that our nationwide high school graduation rate is only around 80%.

Where are you finding this data?

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Where are you finding this data?

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Google will pretty much return the percentage who go to college for any nation you search within the first few links.

As for some of the general data, check out this link.

Note the last damned line.

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37 million Americans have gone to college and have nothing to show for it.”

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Yep. 37 million Americans have attended college but have no degree. That's 10% of the whole fricking population but hell, you really can't count those under 18 when talking about 10%!!!

Washington Post......I enjoy getting stuff from liberal rags trying to sell me on govt spending. Often, they shite out data that REALLY should make you blink but they're too obtuse to catch it.