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General Question About Healthcare
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:07 am
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:07 am
I just heard Malcolm Gladwell make an interesting point. In America., We seem to have contradictory goals. Specifically, we want to control spiraling costs And maintain the most technically advanced care and facilities, while allowing total patient choice. Perhaps, this isn't possible. Which is why Canadians decided to adopt their system.. Is it possible to receive calm, civil responses or comments from you guys? I think it's an interesting if simple observation.
Is NC Tiger around?
Is NC Tiger around?
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:11 am to VOR
He's right.
Healthcare is a commodity. And it may sound simplistic but when you can get things fast and cheap, or cheap and high quality, or high quality and fast; but you can never get all three.
Right now our health care is fast and high quality. There is no way to move to a Universal Sysem without there being a major hit to quality.
Healthcare is a commodity. And it may sound simplistic but when you can get things fast and cheap, or cheap and high quality, or high quality and fast; but you can never get all three.
Right now our health care is fast and high quality. There is no way to move to a Universal Sysem without there being a major hit to quality.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:13 am to Antonio Moss
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He's right.
Healthcare is a commodity. And it may sound simplistic but when you can get things fast and cheap, or cheap and high quality, or high quality and fast; but you can never get all three.
Right now our health care is fast and high quality. There is no way to move to a Universal Sysem without there being a major hit to quality
Yep.
There's no such thing as universal healthcare. A socialized system just excludes different individuals.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:14 am to Antonio Moss
Put simply:
Inexpensive, high quality and fast access.
You can only pick two.
Inexpensive, high quality and fast access.
You can only pick two.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:15 am to VOR
quote:
I just heard Malcolm Gladwell make an interesting point. In America., We seem to have contradictory goals. Specifically, we want to control spiraling costs And maintain the most technically advanced care and facilities, while allowing total patient choice.
I've pointed this out on this board like 50 times. The point gets ignored ENTIRELY by our resident liberals.
quote:EXACTLY!
Perhaps, this isn't possible
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Which is why Canadians decided to adopt their system.. Is it possible to receive calm, civil responses or comments from you guys? I think it's an interesting if simple observation.
I've been saying for QUITE SOME TIME that what Americans believe they can have is a lie.
They are routinely told, "hey, those other countries have free health care"......"you should have it too"........
THEN, they're told the SPECTACULAR lie that our health care is NOT as good as in those places.
So, Americans come to the hilarious conclusion that WE can have OUR CURRENT health care system.......only free. Nope
It's the same as when Americans talk about having "free college like everywhere else".
If our government gave us Great Britain's health care system or European "free college", liberals would march on Washington and burn it to the ground.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:20 am to VOR
death panels r us
one plan for the poors
capitalist platinum for the rich.
the overall NATIONAL cost of a single payer will be less than the current uber capitalist system including the poor showing up for ER.
one plan for the poors
capitalist platinum for the rich.
the overall NATIONAL cost of a single payer will be less than the current uber capitalist system including the poor showing up for ER.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:20 am to VOR
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Perhaps, this isn't possible
it's not and it's not something that should be surprising.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:21 am to ShortyRob
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If our government gave us Great Britain's health care system or European "free college", liberals would march on Washington and burn it to the ground.
And we would even get close to that level of cost or quality. UHC supporters always use GB, or France, or Canada as examples. All of these countries have about ten percent of our population, exponentially less distance between urban areas, and none of the negative cultural health attributes,
If anything, our system would look more like Brazil or Russia. And no one wants that.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:21 am to roadGator
quote:I consider anyone surprised by this reality to be unqualified to even discuss the subject.
it's not and it's not something that should be surprising.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:23 am to VOR
There's a reason the rest of the world comes to the U.S. for healthcare when they need the best, life-saving treatment.
Quality comes with a price tag.
My uncle (has lymphoma) in the U.K. has been waiting one month for follow-up blood work results.
The stories I could tell you would make your toes curl; his treatment has been abhorrent, so we're bringing him to Houston.
If the U.S. ever adopts the Canadian system, we (and the rest of mankind) will be in trouble.
Quality comes with a price tag.
My uncle (has lymphoma) in the U.K. has been waiting one month for follow-up blood work results.
The stories I could tell you would make your toes curl; his treatment has been abhorrent, so we're bringing him to Houston.
If the U.S. ever adopts the Canadian system, we (and the rest of mankind) will be in trouble.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:24 am to VOR
Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor tried to explain this to barack obama. Either he didn't understand or deliberately chose to be obtuse.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:26 am to ShortyRob
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I consider anyone surprised by this reality to be unqualified to even discuss the subject.
Agreed, but the issue is rarely discussed openly in those terms.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:30 am to VOR
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Agreed, but the issue is rarely discussed openly in those terms.
This is because if one tries to point out that what is being proposed is economic fallacy, the left reliably will claim health care to be superior in all these places it's "free".
And yes, I've seen all their stats they use to fool people who don't know any better.
But, that's what happens.
You can't point out the reality that our system is fricking kick arse.
You can't point out that the VAST MAJORITY of new medical treatments come out of the US of A. In other words, that the shite being given away for free elsewhere wouldn't even exist absent the US of A.
You can't point out that there are precisely ZERO other products in the world where people EXPECT that everyone will have access to the newest version of said product the moment it becomes available.
You can't point out that if this was the expectation for smart phones, an iPhone would be $10,000.
You can't point ANY of this shite out because Americans are economic morons and liberals are only too happy to tell them they can have unicorns and rainbows.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:32 am to Antonio Moss
here is something i've been pondering
if we went to a UK-style system where you could get private insurance/care on top of the public option, would that violate the CRA? this would create 2 tiers of health and would negatively and disproportionately affect POC (because they're of lower SES)
basically, white people (being a larger population of higher SES) would get much better care and MUCH more speedy access to treatment, while POC (being a larger population of lower SES) would have to wait for rationed care
sounds like disparate impact
if we went to a UK-style system where you could get private insurance/care on top of the public option, would that violate the CRA? this would create 2 tiers of health and would negatively and disproportionately affect POC (because they're of lower SES)
basically, white people (being a larger population of higher SES) would get much better care and MUCH more speedy access to treatment, while POC (being a larger population of lower SES) would have to wait for rationed care
sounds like disparate impact
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:33 am to CelticDog
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one plan for the poors
capitalist platinum for the rich.
Yeah, that wouldn't cause any issues.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:40 am to VOR
Maybe two systems could work. Publicly run shite hospitals for the poors that want it free and private care for everyone else who pays. Get what you pay for.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:47 am to AaronDeTiger
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Maybe two systems could work. Publicly run shite hospitals for the poors that want it free and private care for everyone else who pays. Get what you pay for.
Except it wouldn't just be the poor. The necessary revenue to run a public system would effectively take the middle class out of the possibility of paying for extra platinum care. Realistically, only 10% of so of people would be able to afford platinum care.
Just looked it up, the amount of British with private insurance over the public system is between 8-11%
This post was edited on 7/2/17 at 11:51 am
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:56 am to VOR
A market system would in theory provide all options. Cheap, low quality options as well as niche or boutique services. Competition would drive innovation.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 11:59 am to Antonio Moss
Anyone know the population break down on UHC vs "Platinium" in Great Britain?
Personally think that employers should be incentivized to offer Platinium benefits and the "entitlement" class should get what they get since they take and don't contribute. We could offer loan waivers for clinicians if they dedicate a portion of thier time working off thier loans at the charity hospitals.
Personally think that employers should be incentivized to offer Platinium benefits and the "entitlement" class should get what they get since they take and don't contribute. We could offer loan waivers for clinicians if they dedicate a portion of thier time working off thier loans at the charity hospitals.
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