re: Gays Against Groomers

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Someone is reading their Schaeffer

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Schaeffer, Bahnsen, and many others hit the nail on the head when it comes to this topic. It's not enough to think in terms of this sin or that sin, but to think in terms of world and life views. They are how we interpret reality, so it is rather futile to address the symptoms (particular topics, policies, sins, etc.) instead of the root of the issue which lies at the foundational worldview.

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bluestem75

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trans were "born that way" just as the homosexual is. Whatever standard you use to judge needs to be used consistently

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OK, take your arguement a little further..we are talking being born XX or XY...even if you remove your penis, or bolt on breasts, you cannot change your genetic code . 1000 years from now when they dig up your male bone structure, and DNA, it will still be the same as your birth DNA regardless of any surgery. That is a fact...Cutting things off and taking hormones just gives the appearance of being the opposite of your sex at birth....it is not real.
If you really think about that, forcing an issue through surgery, that you cant really change biologically, is the definition of insanity.
This is the polar opposite of being born gay where you may fight it initially, but eventually have to accept the way that you were ACTUALLY born. Trying to live as a straight person would be akin to being sexually preferentually "trans" in terms of forcing an illusion of straightness. Just as a straight person could never live as a gay person comfortably, the gay person can not live a straight life and not end up losing their minds and themselves....they can only be gay, or choose celebacy. Even if celebate, the preference and feelings are still there.
I have so many lesbian friends who have children because they forced a straight marriage to "be normal" earlier in life in which they were miserable, and eventually left, ruining some poor guys life.
Consistentcy here would mean honoring the way you were born.

Your organization is a great follow on X

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Next thing you know your group will be asked to get back in the closet.

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Good question. I suggest going on to our website and listening to our podcast “The Dark Side of the Rainbow.” Our literature will explain our concerns more clearly.

Our primary concern is that children are being encouraged to cause irreparable harm to their bodies. They are being told that they are born in the wrong body, a claim that creates an episode of cognitive dissonance within a child who cannot process that claim at all. Once there, the child is experiencing emotional trauma. Then, the adult inducing the trauma encourages the child to trust only them and that they cannot trust their parents because their parents will have an adverse reaction. So, this revelation must be kept secret. These are the first steps in grooming. (See the last 5 minutes of our podcast episode with James Lindsay.)

That is our primary concern: that children, via a co-opted LGBT+LMNOP movement, are being pushed to make irreversible changes to their bodies by adults who approach them with a hidden, nefarious agenda. As members of the gay community, we feel it is our duty to speak out against this abhorrent practice.

Each of us in this organization went through puberty and recognized something was different about us at the onset of puberty. We eventually realized that we are gay and came out. We all turned out just fine. We didn’t need school officials or drag queen story hour to tell us about what it means to be gay when we were pre-pubescent. We believe that people who engage in doing so are also grooming. “Let kids be kids.” They’ll figure it out and be just fine. We did.

What concerns us more is that kids who are the opposite of typical gender stereotypes (or maybe just gay) are being led (by adults they are told to trust, I.e., school teachers and officials) to engage in medical procedures and treatment that can damage their bodies permanently and even cause cancer.

That’s it. We’re not worried about being forced back into the closet because, for us, there is no closet to go back to.

We believe that this continued pushing of a harmful trans agenda on kids is causing justified anger against our entire community. We stand against this ideology, often at the cost of friends and social standing within the gay community.

We don’t care. Maintaining the innocence of children is far important to us. Making sure that the bond between a child and their parent is intact is paramount to us.

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However, what if the tables were turned? Would you as a person who is sexually attracted to the opposite sex bite down on your mouthpiece and have sex with a dude because that’s what was expected of you?

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Not at all. Those who do not have heterosexual desires are not expected to have sex with anyone but to remain celibate if they can't bite that bullet, so to speak.

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Just to add, what we're talking about with homosexuality is a sin based on lust and sexual acts. If the object of lust and sexual acts is forbidden, then we must repent and turn away from it. That is true for heterosexuals who are married and lusting after men or women they aren't married to, as well. If a married man has to deny his lusts and feelings for someone who isn't his wife, homosexuals must do the same. All lust towards someone who is not your spouse is sinful and the right response is to confess your sin to God, repent and turn away from it, and endeavor after righteousness through a change of behavior (not being near your phone/computer a night for porn, or not going to a certain place that will tempt you, etc.)

I follow yall on twitter, and applaud the use of "Gays" instead of the alphabet freaks that should be curb-stomped.

the GAG acronym is unfortunate.

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OK, take your arguement a little further..we are talking being born XX or XY...even if you remove your penis, or bolt on breasts, you cannot change your genetic code . 1000 years from now when they dig up your male bone structure, and DNA, it will still be the same as your birth DNA regardless of any surgery. That is a fact...Cutting things off and taking hormones just gives the appearance of being the opposite of your sex at birth....it is not real.
If you really think about that, forcing an issue through surgery, that you cant really change biologically, is the definition of insanity.
This is the polar opposite of being born gay where you may fight it initially, but eventually have to accept the way that you were ACTUALLY born. Trying to live as a straight person would be akin to being sexually preferentually "trans" in terms of forcing an illusion of straightness. Just as a straight person could never live as a gay person comfortably, the gay person can not live a straight life and not end up losing their minds and themselves....they can only be gay, or choose celebacy. Even if celebate, the preference and feelings are still there.
I have so many lesbian friends who have children because they forced a straight marriage to "be normal" earlier in life in which they were miserable, and eventually left, ruining some poor guys life.

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You're making a distinction between homosexuals and trans persons where I don't think one exists.

I agree with you a person saying they are trans doesn't negate their objective biological reality, but that isn't what they are claiming. They're claiming that their feelings and emotions don't align with their biology. Likewise, homosexuals claim that their feelings and emotions don't align with a heterosexual expectation.

I'm not denying the feelings exist. I'm saying that we can have feelings that aren't good and we all should seek to tame them, repent of sinful thoughts and actions, and seek to live in a way that is God-honoring.

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Consistentcy here would mean honoring the way you were born.

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We are born sinful. We don't need to honor sin just because it's socially acceptable. We should honor God above man.

Open a Louisiana chapter!

If gays support Democrats, then they support grooming.