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re: Full list of the items that are now exempt from Tariffs

Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:46 pm to
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25149 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:46 pm to
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Engaging China with tariffs to effect fair(er) trade was a very solid plan however the execution has been poor.



It was a very solid goal. I'm not sure the plan was solid.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25149 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 7:49 pm to
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It is also telling, despite multiple posts in the thread, you have not once engaged with the merits but rather bounced around the periphery dolling out jabs and high-fives.


Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
4544 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:02 pm to
He did not blink for shite. If he did why is my news feed still wall to wall tariffs with nobody anywhere else pushing this blink shite besides here?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
20665 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:15 pm to
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If we were smart we'd be busy as crap deleveragng, retiring debt, and cutting spending like crazy. Painful, but easier than after a collapse dictates the terms.

Yep. But we learned in 2020 that best way to plan for a national emergency was to wait until after the last second and then throw a shite ton of newly printed dollars at it in the most retarded ways. We've got this, bro -
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
17848 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:33 pm to
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The problem is, he had no leverage to being with. Just as posters on this board pointed out... it was bluff.



Lol... you don't think having the worlds top consumer market is leverage? Also, the country responsible for much of the free worlds defense?
You will be proved wrong as you and other progressive Marxist have been proven wrong in the last 4ish years.
Whats China going to do with all those products they can't sell? Or all the workers that will no longer have jobs in China?
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
779 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:39 pm to
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Whats China going to do with all those products they can't sell? Or all the workers that will no longer have jobs in China?


A double edged sword. What are American businesses going to do if they can't get product to sell or use in their manufacturing process? What about American jobs that will be in danger?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
20665 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 8:44 pm to
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Lol... you don't think having the worlds top consumer market is leverage?

Not when you rely on the rest of the world to fund too much of your wildly out of control spending and debt.

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Also, the country responsible for much of the free worlds defense?

How do you see us leveraging this position in these circumstances? That's an honest question - curious what you're thinking.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60562 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:03 pm to
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Lol... you don't think having the worlds top consumer market is leverage?
We're massive consumers because our currency is strong, and our workers are extremely expensive. So no... we don't ahve a lot of leverage to strong-arm other nations into buying exports we don't produce by taxing imported items we can't economically produce ourselves.

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Also, the country responsible for much of the free worlds defense?
You think China sees us as a defender?

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you and other progressive Marxist


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Whats China going to do with all those products they can't sell?
They can sell it. They already do to other nations. And we're still going to buy it. That's why we've exempted over half of it. Did you read the OP?
Posted by Nomadic Bengal
Member since Jul 2022
2548 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:15 pm to
Dumbasses are finding out that we are completely reliant on global trade. Stupid games and what not
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25149 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:21 pm to
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They can sell it. They already do to other nations. And we're still going to buy it. That's why we've exempted over half of it.


Someone else called this cigarette lighter chicken, where both sides are damaged and it's just a question of who can stand more.

The problem is that Trump was using his own forearm and Xi just grabbed a teenage peasant and used theirs.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
52995 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:46 pm to
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Not without blowing up the bond market.



What generally happens to the still k markets the when the bond market takes a hit? Were you melting about the stock market the last few weeks while the bond market went up?

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
52995 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:48 pm to
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I'm not happy about his lifting selected tariffs because he has given away leverage for nothing in return.


He hasn’t given anything away. It’s a temporary life to encourage good faith negotiations.

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temporary" is laughable. He'll look even less competent if he puts them back on. Not to mention the fact it is something you came up with, out of nothing, to defend him.


Only a complete moron (like you) doesn’t understand what is happening here. In fact Trump specifically stated they were temporary.

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I thought Bonds was a bit sharper than Pvt. Pyle. Guess not.


Your inability to understand the game is not a me problem.
This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 9:49 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
52995 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 9:51 pm to
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Going ad hominem is a sign of weakness and a lack of control.


toughen up Francis.

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Giving up things for nothing is how poor negotiators work.


Sigh….


Trump: eliminate tariffs
Other countries: no
Trump: ok here are some tariffs on your goods
Other countries: ok. We want to negotiate.
Trump: ok. I will temporarily suspend the tariffs while we negotiate.



Could you really not follow that series of events?
This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 9:53 pm
Posted by onepiecemayne
Member since Nov 2023
315 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 10:01 pm to
China has all the leverage and they will win this trade war. Most U.S. companies offshored their manufacturing over there. Do you think China has manufacturing companies in the U.S...You can blame whoever you want but that's the hard truth.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
28315 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 10:10 pm to
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Sigh….


Trump: eliminate tariffs
Other countries: no
Trump: ok here are some tariffs on your goods
Other countries: ok. We want to negotiate.
Trump: ok. I will temporarily suspend the tariffs while we negotiate.


Not only can I follow that sequence but I recounted it within my posts and made a preemptive argument because I knew exactly where you would go with this. The main issue here is that the presumption is going to be backing off the specific list has nothing to do with China and everything to do with his constituents' lack of will. It has nothing to do with what may be in his head. What he did signals a lack of resolve; if you can't see that, then understanding leverage vis-a-vis negotiations is not your strong suit.

It is just like the cluster frick that the initial attempt to remove the de minimus was, an ill thought out plan that had to be reversed in short order. They both underscore lack of planning and lack of will.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
19125 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 10:14 pm to
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Not only can I follow that sequence but I recounted it within my posts and made a preemptive argument because I knew exactly where you would go with this. The main issue here is that the presumption is going to be backing off the specific list has nothing to do with China and everything to do with his constituents' lack of will. It has nothing to do with what may be in his head. What he did signals a lack of resolve; if you can't see that, then understanding leverage vis-a-vis negotiations is not your strong suit.

It is just like the cluster frick that the initial attempt to remove the de minimus was, an ill thought out plan that had to be reversed in short order. They both underscore lack of planning and lack of will.


That's the truth of it right there.
This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 10:16 pm
Posted by FLTech
the A
Member since Sep 2017
21014 posts
Posted on 4/12/25 at 10:20 pm to
Yes I have. I have noticed little things. For example, my Keurig coffee cup things have been either $9.99 or $11.99 for at least a year. Yesterday when I did my weekly shopping, they were $6.99 and I about fell out of my chair. I have also noticed that milk is about a dollar cheaper.. gas by my house is now $2.49 where about a year or so ago it was over $4.00

I’m noticing random little things that are just cheaper. There’s still a lot of items that are around normal prices but at least I am seeing a few things coming down which is a huge step in the right direction in my opinion

I truly think in the next few months, a lot of things are just going to be cheaper

This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 10:21 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
52995 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 9:38 am to
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recounted it within my posts and made a preemptive argument because I knew exactly where you would go with this. The main issue here is that the presumption is going to be backing off the specific list has nothing to do with China


China didn’t come to the table and for the most part their tariffs were jacked up. What does China have to do with the 70 countries I have been referencing that did come to the table?


Are you for the tariffs or not? If for, are you for temporary or permanent? Let’s get you on record because all it seems like you are all doing is taking the opposite opinion of what Trump does.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
1895 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 9:48 am to
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China didn’t come to the table

An old Chinaman said it best: "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
8372 posts
Posted on 4/13/25 at 9:50 am to
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Businesses and the economy don't approve. Nor does any of our 401ks.


It’s mixed whether businesses or the economy approve. Judging that based on any consternation in the moment is unwise. Whether or not they are better off in the long term, or whether the whole ecosystem is better off in the long term is yet unseen, but still very much possible. And we all know it’s dumb to clinch your butt cheeks at the daily ups and downs of the stock market.

The good news with tariffs, like I said before, is long term negative effects can be stopped in their tracks if we see that’s what’s happening. On the flip side, long term positive effects are very much on the table and could be ensured through continuing that policy. It’s not like bad codified law that we are likely stuck with forever.
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