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re: "Fruit of Islam" coming to Troy rally against police brutality tomorrow (P 25)

Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:59 pm to
Posted by Papplesbeast
St. Louis
Member since Dec 2014
924 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:59 pm to
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Yeah, you're right. These Milwaukee officers probably should have just reduced their personal risk and let these teens burn. Or beat the crap out of them after they pulled them out of the burning car. They did break the law and all.

I don't understand the point of your post. All police actions are justified because sometimes police officers do something heroic? I disagree. I want the heroism, but I'll pass on the murder.
Posted by TheMidasTouch
Member since Oct 2017
440 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:00 pm to
It’s amazing how many people right here in this thread prefer to live in a police state where one is to obey the government authority 100 percent of the time, no questions asked. There is a place for these people to live happily. And a little midget with a bad haircut runs that country.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:01 pm to
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The boy fled


Minor detail in many peoples mind, a major detail to those of us who do not get beaten
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8626 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:07 pm to
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I don't understand the point of your post.


Of course you don't because you think the worst of ALL cops.

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All police actions are justified because sometimes police officers do something heroic?


Not at all, but I would probably say there are more like these from Milwaukee than the others.

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I want the heroism, but I'll pass on the murder.


And I'm sure everybody does as well. But then again, that would take them not having to deal with the one's that are out to kill them and others.

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We ask cops every day to be social workers, marriage counselors, psychiatrists, negotiators, teachers and friends. Yet, too often, the same people who ask this of police balk when asked to support the other people who are trying to do those jobs.

Ashley Guindon was an accomplished, thoughtful woman. And an appropriate way to honor her sacrifice is to acknowledge that the work of law enforcement officers is nuanced, complex and requires an American partnership that is much deeper than simply taking sides along a thin blue line.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:36 pm to
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I mean, would you put your life on the line for 30 grand a year? If we want a higher standard we need to pay for a higher standard.


you think cops really make 30 grand a year? you've been lied to be rush my friend.. the average starting salary for LEOs with no experience is about 40k. before fantastic benefits, unlimited overtime, etc.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 4:38 pm
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:43 pm to
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you think cops really make 30 grand a year? you've been lied to be rush my friend.. the average starting salary for LEOs with no experience is about 40k. before fantastic benefits, unlimited overtime, etc.


Pilots that fly right seat for the regional airlines make about the same or less than the average starting salary of a police officer, but no one would ever use that as an excuse for marginal job performance that my kill people like they do the police.
Posted by Papplesbeast
St. Louis
Member since Dec 2014
924 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:50 pm to
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Of course you don't because you think the worst of ALL cops.

There might be some truth to that, but that's because I'm skeptical of government, in general.

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Not at all, but I would probably say there are more like these from Milwaukee than the others.

Sure, but those actions don't bring police shooting victims back to life. When I think about what the police did to Kameron Prescott, I don't put myself into the shoes of the police officer who killed the child. Killing a child is beyond anything I can imagine. Instead, I put myself into the shoes of the parent whose child was killed by the government.

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And I'm sure everybody does as well. But then again, that would take them not having to deal with the one's that are out to kill them and others...
...acknowledge that the work of law enforcement officers is nuanced, complex and requires an American partnership that is much deeper than simply taking sides along a thin blue line.

The police drew that line long before I was even born and police had already positioned themselves firmly on the opposite side of the line from me. I am their enemy, but not because I'm a criminal...I'm not...but because I'm not one of them.
Posted by Hoodatt
Member since Feb 2005
2632 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:52 pm to
I sourced this off of Salary Genius:
Police Salary in Troy, Alabama
The average yearly salary for Police in Troy, Alabama is $39,861. If you are just beginning to work a new job as a Police in Troy, Alabama, you could earn a starting pay rate of $32,827 annually. As is true for most jobs and careers, you can expect your hourly pay rate or salary to increase as you gain experience and the longer you are employed with the same employer. In Troy you could potentially make an average income of around $46,895 after several years on the job with increased wages. When pursuing your career of choice, you should compare salaries of similar professions and factor in variables such as health benefits and potential for raises and promotions over time.

Hope this helps with more accurate perspective.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:00 pm to
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When I think about what the police did to Kameron Prescott,


Was that an accidental shooting..shot thru a wall? Something about a car thief?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:07 pm to
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I sourced this off of Salary Genius:
Police Salary in Troy, Alabama
The average yearly salary for Police in Troy, Alabama is $39,861. If you are just beginning to work a new job as a Police in Troy, Alabama, you could earn a starting pay rate of $32,827 annually. As is true for most jobs and careers, you can expect your hourly pay rate or salary to increase as you gain experience and the longer you are employed with the same employer. In Troy you could potentially make an average income of around $46,895 after several years on the job with increased wages. When pursuing your career of choice, you should compare salaries of similar professions and factor in variables such as health benefits and potential for raises and promotions over time.

Hope this helps with more accurate perspective.


It's fricking Troy. In Alabama. The median listing price for a home is $93k.. $57/sq ft.

Hope that helps with more accurate perspective.

This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 5:09 pm
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
20594 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:14 pm to
He gots some street cred now. Da thug life be hard on a pimp.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:17 pm to
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We should just get rid of the police all together right?
Until we can and people are still robbing, stealing, murdering, and destroying property, I expect police to do their jobs to find out if that is about to happen or not.



“Nothing in the language of the Due Process Clause itself requires the State to protect the life, liberty, and property of its citizens against invasion by private actors,” stated Chief Justice Rehnquist for the majority, “even where such aid may be necessary to secure life, liberty, or property interests of which the government itself may not deprive the individual” without “due process of the law.”
Posted by Papplesbeast
St. Louis
Member since Dec 2014
924 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:19 pm to
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Was that an accidental shooting..shot thru a wall? Something about a car thief?

Yep, "accidental". I think the police were reckless. A reasonable person would think "shooting at a crazy woman standing in front of a mobile home is a bad idea", but that thought didn't enter the minds of the police officers. They were too scared of the woman standing in front of the mobile home, carrying a piece of pipe that "looked like a gun", to think about innocent bystanders.

Kameron Prescott and his family weren't criminals, but not being a criminal didn't protect him from police bullets.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31599 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:22 pm to
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It's fricking Troy. In Alabama. The median listing price for a home is $93k.. $57/sq ft.

Hope that helps with more accurate perspective.


and gas cost $2.20 per gallon,a burger is 6 bucks, a new basic car about $30,000,and a pair of decent shoes $50 dollars.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:25 pm to
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even where such aid may be necessary to secure life, liberty, or property interests of which the government itself may not deprive the individual” without “due process of the law.”



And?
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23151 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:27 pm to
Don't care about this.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:29 pm to
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"shooting at a crazy woman standing in front of a mobile home is a bad idea", but that thought didn't enter the minds of the police officers. They were too scared of the woman standing in front of the mobile home, carrying a piece of pipe that "looked like a gun", to think about innocent bystanders. Kameron Prescott and his family weren't criminals, but not being a criminal didn't protect him from police bullets.

Thanks for the answer. I knew nothing of the particulars.

Accidents happen. That said, if they thought she had a gun and was acting crazy? Need to know more. How far away was she from the officers...was she moving towards them..was she shot? Again...accidents happen. There are much worse examples than this. (they didn't know the kid was there.)
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:31 pm to
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and gas cost $2.20 per gallon,


2.20 a gallon?? It's been a while since I've seen prices that low. (N.Wis.)
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 5:33 pm
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31599 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:35 pm to
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2.20 a gallon?? It's been a while since I've seen prices that low. (N.Wis.)


Yeah,that's about average for regular around here,I think. Might be a couple of cents cheaper even, I am usually buying diesel.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:52 pm to
20-30+ cents a gal higher here.
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