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re: Fouci needs to shut up about a vaccine
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:02 pm to FlexDawg
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:02 pm to FlexDawg
Years ago, I was at a meeting with 5-6 docs. The meeting was on a new CPAP modality that would increase compliance of people diagnosed with sleep apnea and prescribed CPAP. One doc started arguing that the new technology wasn't "straight CPAP" and was poo-pooing the new tech saying that the new tech wouldn't be as good as the old stuff...........until it was pointed out that CPAP is 100% ineffective in treating sleep apnea if the patient doesn't put it on.
My point is, some docs have a mindset that is all or nothing. Yes a vaccine would be great, but we have to treat the infected now.
My point is, some docs have a mindset that is all or nothing. Yes a vaccine would be great, but we have to treat the infected now.
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:03 pm to mmcgrath
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Hydroxychloroquin hasn't been proven as effective. When it is, he will comment on it.
I keep seeing this from the left. There is enough anecdotal information to support compassionate use. I work in a hospital and medical journals are required reading for my job. What is your background?
There has to be institutional reporting to at least say he is encouraged or discouraged. If it was the latter we sure as hell would be hearing it.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:05 pm to PEPE
frick finding 'encouraging' things to talk about. Be a man and learn to accept the truth.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:06 pm to mmcgrath
I think the vaccine and personal behavior (staying as healthy as possible) are far more important than a cure for some patients. That said you post shows you to be a clod. As effective as what? Most any significant effectiveness is great. All that said the best cure is don't get it.
Haven't had flu in almost 50 years. Because I get the shot annnd I take good care of myself. People all around me get it but they don't eat fruits, veggies, cut down on salt and pay attention to my vitals with a 90 day checkup and a review with the doc. And asking questions.
Haven't had flu in almost 50 years. Because I get the shot annnd I take good care of myself. People all around me get it but they don't eat fruits, veggies, cut down on salt and pay attention to my vitals with a 90 day checkup and a review with the doc. And asking questions.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:09 pm to Caplewood
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The boomers will eat it up tho
Since when is this a Boomer v Millennial v Gen X?
Especially since the vast majority of fatalities are Boomers, while stupidity reigns supreme among younger Millennials and Gen X'ers.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:09 pm to FlexDawg
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:10 pm to IslandBuckeye
quote:
I keep seeing this from the left. There is enough anecdotal information to support compassionate use. I work in a hospital and medical journals are required reading for my job. What is your background?
There has to be institutional reporting to at least say he is encouraged or discouraged. If it was the latter we sure as hell would be hearing it.
It's purely political. If a Leftist, or the family member of a Leftist, had the virus and were not showing any improvement, 100% would want that drug.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:20 pm to moneyg
quote:Honest question, what short term decisions are we making based on the vaccine that is 12 or however many months away? Asking specifically what has Fauci or others stated about the vaccine that is relevant to their decisions of today.
The point from the OP is that in the short term, the vaccine isn't relevant to our decisions because it won't be available any time soon.
quote:That's what Chuck's doing in the tweet, actually. A perfect example of it, in fact.
In other words, you are arguing with yourself.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:21 pm to SportTiger1
quote:He's talking about it daily but no one has complained about it in masses on PT until Chuck Woolery tweeted about it?
the point is, you can focus on the vaccine behind the scene, but it does very little good to talk about daily...especially when you're being passive about a drug with immediate impact being available
but you knew that already...
Ok, sure thing.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:33 pm to FlexDawg
It should take little more than a damn week to know whether HDCQ/ZPac works...or to what degree that it does. If the "anecdotal" 
EVIDENCE is there as witnessed to the many people that HAVE been CURED in short order upon taking these drugs...then what the hell are they building all those Respirators for instead of ramping up the manufacture and therapeutic use of? The damn virus will mutate just like any virus and next years vaccine will only be relatively effective anyway.
I smell a dead rat in this whole thing. I don't know what is at play...Egos/petty mind games...Statist Bureucratic principle control...or whatever. But if at the wane of this tragic scenario where hundreds of thousands are speculated to die...it damn well better not be the case that people like Fauci held the power to make the call for HDCQ...but didn't. If so...he/his ilk owns those deaths.
EVIDENCE is there as witnessed to the many people that HAVE been CURED in short order upon taking these drugs...then what the hell are they building all those Respirators for instead of ramping up the manufacture and therapeutic use of? The damn virus will mutate just like any virus and next years vaccine will only be relatively effective anyway. I smell a dead rat in this whole thing. I don't know what is at play...Egos/petty mind games...Statist Bureucratic principle control...or whatever. But if at the wane of this tragic scenario where hundreds of thousands are speculated to die...it damn well better not be the case that people like Fauci held the power to make the call for HDCQ...but didn't. If so...he/his ilk owns those deaths.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:33 pm to PEPE
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Chuck's point is that you gotta focus on more immediate things the public can feel good about, not some vaccine which may be 2 years away.
Work on the vaccine sure, but for public morale/economic purposes try to find more immediate encouraging things to talk about.
Disappointing that you have to point this out
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:34 pm to SickGainzLP
quote:
Be a man and learn to accept the truth.
To quote an old movie general:
You can't handle the truth!
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:42 pm to FlexDawg
Or focus on natural immunity by letting low risk folks continue their normal life unabated while the vulnerable quarantine.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:45 pm to RCDfan1950
quote:
It should take little more than a damn week to know whether HDCQ/ZPac works...or to what degree that it does. If the "anecdotal" EVIDENCE is there as witnessed to the many people that HAVE been CURED in short order upon taking these drugs...then what the hell are they building all those Respirators for instead of ramping up the manufacture and therapeutic use of? The damn virus will mutate just like any virus and next years vaccine will only be relatively effective anyway.
I smell a dead rat in this whole thing. I don't know what is at play...Egos/petty mind games...Statist Bureucratic principle control...or whatever. But if at the wane of this tragic scenario where hundreds of thousands are speculated to die...it damn well better not be the case that people like Fauci held the power to make the call for HDCQ...but didn't. If so...he/his ilk owns those deaths.
Ventilators cost thousands and thousands of dollars. The drug can treat a patient for $20.
Also keep in mind, very few people going on a vent, will come off alive.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:47 pm to shel311
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He's talking about it daily but no one has complained about it in masses on PT until Chuck Woolery tweeted about it?
Ok, sure thing
You're clearly not attempting to comprehend what is being said in this thread. And you haven't been paying attention to this forum, in general.
We have been saying from the beginning, when we first heard about Chloroquine, that this should be getting more attention. We have been complaining about Fauci, and his made up numbers that he merely repeats from the WHO, and how he is only serving to increase the panic by doing so.
But you think Chuck Woolery suddenly enlightened us? Trying paying closer attention, friend.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:48 pm to Metaloctopus
quote:I haven't seen anyone saying we're spending too much time on focusing on the vaccine on here before this thread.
You're clearly not attempting to comprehend what is being said in this thread. And you haven't been paying attention to this forum, in general.
We have been saying from the beginning, when we first heard about Chloroquine, that this should be getting more attention. We have been complaining about Fauci, and his made up numbers that he merely repeats from the WHO, and how he is only serving to increase the panic by doing so.
But you think Chuck Woolery suddenly enlightened us? Trying paying closer attention, friend.
Were there a few posts I probably haven't seen? Of course. Was it something this board has been talking about a good bit all this time? Absolutely not.
I comprehend what is being said in this thread, it's just wrong.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:52 pm to shel311
quote:
by shel311
It's pretty naive to think the focus shouldn't be on both.
Dumb tweet by Chuck.
How is it that fricks like you immediately reply to OPs before anyone else
Friggin dipshit
You don’t want a cure
TDS post
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:56 pm to shel311
quote:
I haven't seen anyone saying we're spending too much time on focusing on the vaccine on here before this thread.
Were there a few posts I probably haven't seen? Of course. Was it something this board has been talking about a good bit all this time? Absolutely not.
I comprehend what is being said in this thread, it's just wrong.
You still don't get it. We have been saying that Fauci, and all of the other "experts" should be talking about Chloroquine.
You're basing your entire argument on whether or not we complained about him talking about a vaccine. It's the vaccine talk, the "models" and all of the rhetoric that he spends all his time talking about, instead of a drug that is actually helping people.
Chuck Woolery just happened to highlight vaccine talk, and we're in agreement with him. But it's not about to be just that. Fauci does almost nothing but spout alarmist crap, and seems to either have no clue, or simply does not care that he is causing more panic.
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/2/20 at 12:58 pm to mmcgrath
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mmcgrath
If you got China Flu, would you refuse Hydroxychloroquin, because the its not "proven as effective"?
Something tells me you'd be demanding it.
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 4/2/20 at 1:02 pm to RCDfan1950
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If the "anecdotal" EVIDENCE is there as witnessed to the many people that HAVE been CURED in short order upon taking these drugs...then what the hell are they building all those Respirators for instead of ramping up the manufacture and therapeutic use of?
Respirators are no longer being touted on the media, because they are starting to see massive shipments. The new talking point is ventilators. They keep talking about "not enough ventilators" the same reason they were talking about "not enough tests" earlier on. Who is doing the talking? What is there to gain? This is an election year.
The saddest part of all of this, is that the media can not be trusted ever again. Impeachment was the tipping point, and the false information being pushed by the MSM has forever damaged the "watchdogs".
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 1:06 pm
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