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Buckeye Jeaux
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Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
Former US Atty Andy McCarthy said on Fox News that Trump's legal team failed to plead a winnable immediate dismissal claim.

McCarthy said the team should have argued (on issue of dismissal) that even if the House's allegations were proven, they fail to plead an impeachable offense.

McCarthy further said that Trump's team plead dismissal on issues of fact. i.e., that the facts were deficient. McCarthy says the factual argument opens the door to a prolonged trial and all witnesses the Dems wish to call to support their factual accusations.

Seems like McCarthy is 100% correct to me. Trump's legal team failed to make the obvious winning case.


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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
Because Trump wants the trial and witnesses.


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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
Maybe they WANT to go to trial.


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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
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Because Trump wants the trial and witnesses.



Bingo.


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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
If Trump is going down, he knows it already. If he is going down, he doesn't seem like the type to go down without bringing a few of them with him. Bring witnesses. frick the establishment. frick Congress. Air it all out, Trump. Even if you are a criminal I'll still respect you for exposing the corruption accidentally.

ETA: If he isn't going down, he knows that too. If he isn't and has nothing to fear, then let all witnesses speak.
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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
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Seems like McCarthy is 100% correct to me. Trump's legal team failed to make the obvious winning case.
He is, legally.

People cannot seem to accept that NOTHING being done at this point (either by the Dems or by Trump) has the Senate as its target audience. They are performing for 300 million in November, not 100 in January.
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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
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Maybe they WANT to go to trial.
A FAIR trial would be great. You seriously think Trump will get a fair trial?

Trump has almost 100% of the Senate Dems against him, and a slew of Rino's.



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SmackoverHawg
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They are performing for 300 million in November, not 100 in January.

This.


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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
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People cannot seem to accept that NOTHING being done at this point (either by the Dems or by Trump) has the Senate as its target audience. They are performing for 300 million in November, not 100 in January.


Hmmm... sounds like you re bashing yourself for your first comment!


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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
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They are performing for 300 million in November, not 100 in January.


This is about the only thing that you ever wrote that was worth a damn. You are right on this,though


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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
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that even if the House's allegations were proven, they fail to plead an impeachable offense.


They did argue that very thing
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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
Can you provide a link? Trump’s team absolutely nailed it. Constitutionally invalid
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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
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Trump's legal team failed to make the obvious winning case.


I agree - I want the dismissal arguemt to be vocal and vigorous and derogatory.

However, Graham has said the GOP 'doesn't have the votes' for dismissal = damn Rimney, Collins, et al.

Perhaps it would have worked to the detriment of the final result desired to have the dismissal rejected.

But I wanted blood in the streets over this pice of shite.


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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
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They are performing for 300 million in November,


Actually they are targeting about 10 GOP Senators.


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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
I agree. He’s right.


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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
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However, Graham has said the GOP 'doesn't have the votes' for dismissal


They do but a weak dismissal would just mean the House Loons would go through their clown show all over again. Only was a dismissal works is if it sends the message that is absolutely pointless to try again: all GOP, Independents, and even a Blue Dog or two. So obviously the Trump legal team knows what they are doing, unlike the OP and MoronHank.
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Buckeye Jeaux
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Can you provide a link? Trump’s team absolutely nailed it. Constitutionally invalid
This came from Andy McCarthy's appearance on Fox News today on "Outnumbered".

McCarthy was clear on his opinion that Trump's Team missed the boat on arguing for dismissal on the basis of failing to state an impeachable offense.

Would like to see any link to the contrary.



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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
There are two horses in this race; given the evidence of Trump's action/results over the last 3 years...which horse would bet on to cross the line first.

Trump has the (factual, evidentiary) ball, and the lead, and it's 4 minutes left in the last quarter. What's the hurry. Run out the time and leave no time on the clock for the opposition offense to even get the ball. There is no better Forum to drop what is out there than an Impeachment Trial.

Dershowitz will lay the Legal Foundation that there is NO Legal basis for a legit Impeachment...as presented. The Supreme Court will never undermine Executive Privilege; it is beyond their Constitutional power to do so. Not to mention disastrous for future Administrations.

This will be like our LSU Season and NC march. Monumentally satisfying. Now what comes afterward...could be problematic.


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AggieHank86
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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
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Actually they are targeting about 10 GOP Senators.
Maybe, but I don’t think so.

Of those ten, the only real issue is this nonsense about witnesses, which is ultimately irrelevant to the final outcome. Only a couple are even remotely on the fence for removal ... not enough to affect the outcome.


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re: Former U.S. Atty says Trumps legal team dropped the ball
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I. The Articles Fail to State Impeachable Offenses as a Matter Of Law
A. House Democrats’ Novel Theory of “Abuse of Power” Does Not State an Impeachable Offense and Would Do Lasting Damage to the Separation of Powers

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B. House Democrats’ Charge of “Obstruction” Fails Because Invoking Constitutionally Based Privileges and Immunities to Protect the Separation of Powers Is Not an Impeachable Offense


They may not have said it exactly how McCarthy would have, but I think they raised those issues. Not sure it would have been wise to submit a purely legal argument in a trial brief without addressing the facts.

Either way, the impeachment trial is not getting dismissed on the briefs.

There could possibly be a chance after the presentation of the dims' arguments, but more likely only after the presentation of POTUS oral presentation and Roberts' questioning of both.

Trial Memo of DJT


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