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re: Former U.S. ambassador to Russia says Putin needs to be defeated

Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:35 am to
Posted by tiger520
Member since Aug 2014
305 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:35 am to
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The U.S. didn’t start this war, Putin did.


Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
47282 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:37 am to
Yes, but the eastward crawl - i.e., the lies - began in the 90's


Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9899 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:46 am to
It's amazing how a large portion of Americans disregard the war Ukraine waged on the Donbas people before Russia's involvement and completely ignore U.S. involvement in 2014.

Let's couple that with this paradox:

MSM: Putin is running out of bullets

also MSM: Putin won't stop in Ukraine, he will take over all of Europe
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66343 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:49 am to
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MSM: Putin is running out of bullets

also MSM: Putin won't stop in Ukraine, he will take over all of Europe

I took a glance at the O-T retard thread last night and it is basically going back and forth between these two extremes.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87399 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:51 am to
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If Putin is allowed to run roughshod over Ukraine unchecked, it destabilizes a lot of Swiss bank accounts
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93014 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:51 am to
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took a glance at the O-T retard thread last night and it is basically going back and forth between these two extremes.


Nothing better than watching a clown circus claiming Rusks are the worst military ever yet will roll over Europe and occupy paris

Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
20544 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:52 am to
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Shut up bitch, ChatGPT using clown

Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21165 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:55 am to
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Support for a country or a cause can take many forms, including diplomatic, economic, humanitarian aid, or moral support. This argument dismisses the validity of non-combatant support roles


Your free to send ur money, humanitarian aid, moral support, and money to Ukraine.
I'm keeping mine here in the US.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62535 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:56 am to
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If Putin is allowed to run roughshod over Ukraine unchecked, it destabilizes the world order and the cause for liberty.


The same can be said for the United States as we've done a bang-up job stabilizing the Middle East.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85567 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:59 am to
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So dumb. The common retort "go fight yourself” is a false equivalence. It implies that the only legitimate form of support for a cause or conflict is direct military involvement.



You sound like a pussy who want others to die in war so you don’t have to get dirt under your nails.

You are shite.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85567 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:02 am to
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If Putin is allowed to run roughshod over Ukraine unchecked, it destabilizes the world order and the cause for liberty.



We ran rough sod on Iraq and Afghanistan and gave rise to isil. We destabilized not only the Middle East, but parts of Africa.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294983 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:05 am to
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The common retort "go fight yourself” is a false equivalence



No its not.

In fact its been proposed as an amendment before, and I wish it had passed.

Nerds love war, but are too much of a pussy to actually fight it. They need to shut the frick up or take up arms.


Men are tired of noodle armed nerds pushing war. They're barely able to hold their knitting needles.

quote:

In 1916 an amendment was proposed to the Constitution that all acts of war would be put to a national vote. Anyone voting yes had to register as a volunteer for service in the United States Army.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12618 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:10 am to
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. He’s essentially saying if you aren’t willing to die or have your son/grandson to die then shut the frick u


Should be our policy for all foreign wars.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41692 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:13 am to
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The common retort "go fight yourself” is a false equivalence. It implies that the only legitimate form of support for a cause or conflict is direct military involvement.


I support LSU football. I donate to TAF, buy tickets and cheer for the team.

The last thing they would want me to do is play. They wouldn’t want my kids either. My grandsons are too young, but neither is athletic enough to play football.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294983 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:15 am to
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I support LSU football. I donate to TAF, buy tickets and cheer for the team.


This is a war, that includes two nations that you have zero involvement with, except cheerleading.

Just admit you prefer other people die to support your flimsy values and youre not fit for it yourself.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62535 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:17 am to
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The people of Ukraine are fighting because they want to.


Is this why Zelensky has to use press gangs to gather "volunteers" to fight in this war?
Posted by BluegrassCardinal
Kentucky
Member since Nov 2022
1723 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:23 am to
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Support for a country or a cause can take many forms, including diplomatic, economic, humanitarian aid, or moral support. This argument dismisses the validity of non-combatant support roles.


We are approaching the three year mark of this war. Russia controls the eastern oblasts, and minus a major NATO ground offensive, they're not going anywhere.

So what can Ukraine do besides lob a few ATACMS and other tactical missiles into the west of Russia, or pick off a Russian general? Not much.

Ukraine simply lacks the manpower to dislodge Russian forces.

As for your "Russia bad" narrative, I would encourage you to read about the violation of the Minsk Accords, deliberate Ukrainian shelling of Russian ethnic populations, the CIA sponsored overthrow of Viktor Yanukovych.
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 8:24 am
Posted by themunch
bottom of the list
Member since Jan 2007
71274 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:36 am to
a significant U.S. partner.

Who is that?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116664 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:37 am to
Putin was defeated in his run for re-election. Didn't seem to matter.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30543 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:38 am to
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but neither is athletic enough to play football.


You don't have to be athletic to shoot a firearm or catch a bullet...
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