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re: former Missouri Gov states facts. "We are headed towards decertification"
Posted on 6/11/21 at 1:40 pm to Rex Feral
Posted on 6/11/21 at 1:40 pm to Rex Feral
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I asked how it works.
That's what I'm saying. The states can pass a resolution/legislation stating that they are "decertifying" their results from 2020, but it wouldn't have any effect on who is in office at the federal level.
This post was edited on 6/11/21 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 6/11/21 at 1:44 pm to Rex Feral
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I didn't ask will it. I asked how it works. If you don't know, then don't reply.
He is living in his own world.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 1:47 pm to Jjdoc
After watching Greitens on War Room and his podcast I've become a fan of Greitens...I'm not sure how he got caught up in that kinky sex situation that cost him the governorship but if we used Dim social standards it was pretty much consenting adults doing things consenting adults do. As a conservative I questioned his good judgment considering he was married at the time and I don't believe his wife was cool with Eric's extracurricular activities. All that said, Greitens seems like a solid America First patriot, he just has a thing for that sweet thang...I can empathize.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 1:56 pm to Rex Feral
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How does decertification work?
It's called devolution. If and when the fraud is proven and state desertification of the election is announced, it impacts just not the federal level but state and local results. Everything on those ballots are invalid. Meaning you know longer have a true civilian government elected by the people as per the constitution.
Military will have to step in and assume control until the civilian government can be restored.
Newsweek actually did an article about this, but it was based on if covid took out the government. Wish I had the link. If I remember correctly DJT and the military had like 7 scenarios planned out to put in action if either came to pass. The devolution one is the only I think could apply to this.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 1:58 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Because I believe something will happen with finding fraud, but I am not confident it will go as far as changing the results of the 2020 election.
One state isn't enough for one.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 2:24 pm to Indefatigable
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That's what I'm saying.
No, you are saying that the US Founding Fathers had no provision to stop the KING from having a pawn set in place that would remain a loyal little puppet.
They did. Just because you have purchased at a jacked up price the narrative that ONCE a president is sworn in that there is not a means to remove said President is 100% false.
As stated over and over, just because you "don't see it" does not mean it's not there.
There are court cases! Like it or not!
Here is a ruling BY a Federal court:
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The burden which plaintiffs must meet is a heavy one. Moreover, even if a claim is stated under this standard, plaintiffs bear an even heavier burden in demonstrating the necessity for a new election. In the present case, ordering a new Presidential election in New York State could involve the most serious consequences..
Read slowly and carefully to the Federal Court:
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The point, however, is not that ordering a new Presidential election in New York State is beyond the equity jurisdiction of the federal courts. Protecting the integrity of elections particularly Presidential contests is essential to a free and democratic society. See United States v. Classic, supra.
It is difficult to imagine a more damaging blow to public confidence in the electoral process than the election of a President whose margin of victory was provided by fraudulent registration or voting, ballot-stuffing or other illegal means. Indeed, entirely foreclosing injunctive relief in the federal courts would invite attempts to influence national elections by illegal means, particularly in those states where no statutory procedures are available for contesting general elections.
But before a federal court can responsibly order a new election, the claimants seeking this extraordinary relief must come forward with the most clear and convincing evidence that state officials or persons acting under color of state law, by intentionally depriving qualified voters of the right to vote, altered the outcome of the election.[20] A party contesting a Presidential election carries a heavy burden. Not to put too fine a point on it, this standard implies conduct of a most egregious nature, approximating criminal activity.
SIGNED:
The DAMN FEDERAL JUDGE!
Donohue vs Board of Elections
So YES! Our Constitution provides a path to remove a President WHO WAS ILLEGALLY PLACED IN THE WH.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 2:29 pm to dafif
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I pray every day for justice and truth.
THIS
Posted on 6/11/21 at 2:34 pm to wutangfinancial
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That is much worse than a stolen election because it shows that the CCP has more political power than conservatives have in this country, ALREADY. Hopefully if anything comes out of this they take firearms and SWAT shields to the Capital instead of selfie-sticks.
Nothing, NOTHING, is worse than a stolen election because that’s all that stands between us and total collapse. You think Chinas influence is bad right now? Wait until our government is a copy of China.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 2:36 pm to Cuz413
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Not if there's a convention of states. Dem lawyers, politicians, talking heads, and Twitter losers can cry all the frick they want and it won't matter one iota.
This is 5e only way I can see anything effective happening. I’m not sure enough red states will be on board, though.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 2:36 pm to Jjdoc
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Donohue vs Board of Elections
Thank you for the cite, looking forward to reading the full opinion. It is worth noting though that Donohue was decided prior to the POTUS in question taking office and/or the EC certification by Congress. I've never argued that the states/courts don't have the power to decertify or call new elections (in extreme cases) prior to POTUS-elect taking office/EV certification. In fact that is when it should have been done.
It doesn't change my belief that the states or the federal courts do not have the power to remove a sitting POTUS... Donohue does not address that.
This post was edited on 6/11/21 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 6/11/21 at 2:41 pm to Topisawtiger
I’m with you. All the comfort in the world is meaningless without the constitution. Traitors suffer a traitors end...
Posted on 6/11/21 at 2:44 pm to DownHome
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Military will have to step in and assume control until the civilian government can be restored.
The Military with DJT as the Commander in Chief supposedly had ample opportunity and evidence to keep this from ever getting to this point. Yet here we are. Do you really think they will do an about face and now act on behalf of the same people they basically ignored 7 months ago?
Posted on 6/11/21 at 2:53 pm to Indefatigable
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I still do not believe that the states or the federal courts have the power to remove a sitting POTUS... and this opinion does not address that.
This opinion tells you flat out the courts have the power. Period.
Just because this case was prior to does not matter.
3 USC 1 does not apply. It says nothing of "TOO LATE"
You are hell bent on saying that a nation has to sit by for 4 years when the election process itself was tampered with and everybody knows it.
You are wrong. The cases are numerous
Posted on 6/11/21 at 3:02 pm to OldManRiver
I don't think for a second that the military will get involved, ever, but 7 months ago there were only allegations of fraud. Now there is concrete, factual, provable fraud, and proof that it has resulted in a fraudulent president sitting in the White House.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 3:39 pm to Jjdoc
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You are hell bent on saying that a nation has to sit by for 4 years when the election process itself was tampered with and everybody knows it.
Not true. The country does not have to do nothing. There’s simply nothing any state or federal court can do to remove people from office. Congress has to be the one to do it.
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Just because this case was prior to does not matter.
Quite the opposite. It is the critical factor at play. Holding a new election isn’t the big hurdle. Removing federal officials is the hurdle, and Donohue doesn’t even touch that issue.
This post was edited on 6/11/21 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 6/11/21 at 4:02 pm to Jjdoc
Honestly, I think if the proof of fraud starts being laid upon the table with these audits and decertification starts happening you’re going to see an assload of civil unrest. Half this country isn’t going to just sit on their hands with a known fraud in the WH. Likewise, you know the left will be out in the streets. Things have the potential to get really ugly really fast. Now, I’m not calling for violence but the recipe is certainly there. A stolen election simply can’t be allowed to stand in any shape form or fashion.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 4:10 pm to Jjdoc
The shite will never end.
Even if outright fraud is found, the left and media will just push the disinformation and conspiracy theory angle and vilify and cancel anyone who supports decertification. The mob will riot and burn cities. Companies will proclaim their support for Biden and Dems and denounce customers, employees, and suppliers who do not agree.
It will come down to almost civil war and many conservatives would rather sit thru 4 years of dumbass than fight that fight. They think we will just win the house back in 2022 and take another shot at the White House in 2024 with a non-Trump candidate.
The truth is... the slope is slippery and we are already going down it. They will not allow another conservative to step foot in the White House if they can help it.
Bottom line... proof of fraud means the Pandora's box is opened and we will either fight or bow down.
Even if outright fraud is found, the left and media will just push the disinformation and conspiracy theory angle and vilify and cancel anyone who supports decertification. The mob will riot and burn cities. Companies will proclaim their support for Biden and Dems and denounce customers, employees, and suppliers who do not agree.
It will come down to almost civil war and many conservatives would rather sit thru 4 years of dumbass than fight that fight. They think we will just win the house back in 2022 and take another shot at the White House in 2024 with a non-Trump candidate.
The truth is... the slope is slippery and we are already going down it. They will not allow another conservative to step foot in the White House if they can help it.
Bottom line... proof of fraud means the Pandora's box is opened and we will either fight or bow down.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 4:12 pm to Indefatigable
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Not true. The country does not have to do nothing. There’s simply nothing any state or federal court can do to remove people from office. Congress has to be the one to do it.
I just gave you a federal court case that says you are wrong. Need more? Busbee.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 4:25 pm to oldskule
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an 6 needs to happen again if fraud is 100% proven and nothing gets done!
I'll make the trip this time. Driving, not flying, just in case. Who needs a ride?
Posted on 6/11/21 at 4:38 pm to Blitzed
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if fraud is found
You have it in your head already that they have announced they have found proof of fraud.
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