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re: Foreign-Born Judge Controls Trump’s National Security Powers

Posted on 12/25/25 at 10:26 am to
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 10:26 am to
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I’ve not read this specific opinion, and I do not plan to do so, because it simply doesn’t interest me that much.


You avoided the question entirely because you know damn well the POTUS can revoke security clearances for any reason he deems fit. He can also grant them unilaterally for any reason he sees fit.

Also, you say you aren't interested, yet here you are on frickin Christmas trolling in this thread.
Posted by Louisianalabguy
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 10:40 am to
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He was born less than ten miles north of upstate New York.

Folks, where he comes from and his religion is not the issue. No federal judge should have any authority over who gets or who doesn't get security clearances. That clearly resides with the White House.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 10:41 am to
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here you are on frickin Christmas
Such an angry little fellow.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 10:43 am to
Exactly.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 10:43 am to
Still a deflection
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 10:46 am to
quote]One of them scary Canucks.[/quote]

You misspelled cuck.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 10:58 am to
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The problem/issue is that Trump has a tendency to completely ignore the established/statutory procedures for doing things that he does have (eventually) the right to do. he cuts corners, and thereby violates the law. For whatever reason, Trump seems to be utterly convinced that these laws and regulations simply do not apply to him.
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Show me the law that says POTUS can’t revoke a security clearance for any reason he sees fit please.

I've already linked the written Opinion. From p.5:
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The government acknowledges it chose to revoke Zaid’s security clearance without any of the process it usually affords but argues the legality of its summary revocation is “a quintessential political question” that cannot be reviewed by federal courts. Id. at 2. However, its position is premised on ignoring binding precedent that says otherwise, including simply omitting relevant caselaw from the motion to dismiss and preliminary injunction opposition. That precedent has rejected the proposition that “all security-clearance decisions are immune from judicial review,” recognizing a distinction between the executive branch’s “discretionary judgments regarding a particular employee’s security clearance” (not reviewable) and claims that “relate to the constitutionality of the methods used” to make such judgments (reviewable). Greenberg, 983 F.2d at 289–90; see also Rattigan v. Holder, 689 F.3d 764, 768, 770 (D.C. Cir. 2012)
As expected, Trump cut corners.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 10:59 am to
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The problem/issue is that Trump has a tendency to completely ignore the established/statutory procedures for doing things that he does have (eventually) the right to do. he cuts corners, and thereby violates the law.


"Trump has the authority to do that but he can't unless the right paperwork is filled out correctly" has to be one of the dumbest arguments you guys use.

Does the Constitution grant the president the power to control clearances or does it say the bureaucracy has that power? If it's the president, then the bureaucratic paperwork is irrelevant.

In Dept of Navy v Egan, the Supreme Court declared "The authority to grant, deny, or revoke access to classified information flows from the President’s constitutional powers, not from Congress." That means the "established/statutory procedures" argument is bullshite as statutory procedures come from Congress. If they come from the executive, then the chief executive who oversees the entire branch can set the rules.

Article II says "The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America." It doesn't say "but only if he follows the rules and procedures of Congress and the courts."

The Constitution also says "The president shall be the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States." That gives him authority over national security matters, not Congress, not unelected judges.

The idea that Trump can exercise his Constitutional authority only by following the procedures of Congress and the courts is retarded. No sane person honestly thinks that's how the separation of powers was intended to work.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 11:00 am to
The entire classification system was set up solely for the POTUS to be used in negotiations with foreign nations. He can use it however he deems fit. These supposed lawyers know this too. They're just frickin dishonest.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21855 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 11:02 am to
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As expected, Trump cut corners.

So a federal judge is granted presidential powers?
Posted by BronzeAgeTiger
Member since Sep 2025
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 11:06 am to
We’re going to have to shoot our way out of all this shite aren’t we?
Posted by CapnKangaroo
Member since Dec 2025
438 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 11:08 am to
The judges “opinion” is just that. He’s wrong and everyone knows it. He knows it to but liberal judges don’t care about the law.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34132 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 11:10 am to
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He was born less than ten miles north of upstate New York.

Do you know who else was born in Canada? Ted Cruz.


Stupid comparison.

One was a citizen at birth and one was not.

The distance across the border is irrelevant and confers no privilege.

About 80-90 percent of the Canadian population lives within 100 miles of the U.S. border.

Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 11:12 am to
Does the goat humper follow that "peaceful religion"?
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 11:12 am to
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Folks, where he comes from and his religion is not the issue.
Thanks for clearing that up. Perhaps your fellow travelers will listen to YOU.
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No federal judge should have any authority over who gets or who doesn't get security clearances. That clearly resides with the White House
EXCEPT where the White House acts in violation of the Constitution. Here, the contention is that the White House revoked Zaid's clearance in violation of his First Amendment rights. In particular, the contention is that Trump revoked the clearance because Zaid has been critical of Trump.
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While the merits of any individual security clearance decision are unreviewable, courts may hear ‘constitutional claims arising from the clearance revocation process.’” El-Ganayni v. U.S. Dep’t of Energy, 591 F.3d 176, 183 (3d Cir. 2010)

The First Amendment prohibits government officials from retaliating against people for engaging in ... protected activities. See Nieves v. Bartlett, 587 U.S. 391, 398 (2019)

To prevail on a First Amendment retaliation claim, a plaintiff must show “(1) he engaged in conduct protected under the First Amendment; (2) the defendant took some retaliatory action sufficient to deter a person of ordinary firmness in plaintiff’s position from speaking again; and (3) a causal link between the exercise of a constitutional right and the adverse action taken against him.” Aref v. Lynch, 833 F.3d 242, 258 (D.C. Cir. 2016)

The government does not appear to dispute that the first two requirements are satisfied, and they clearly are. ... The record also shows Zaid will likely establish the final requirement, that his protected expression, petitioning on behalf of people or in matters disfavored by the government, is what caused the government to summarily revoke his clearance. The President expressed repeated, public displeasure with Zaid—calling him a “sleazeball” and saying he should be sued for “treason”—and expressly tied it to his representation of a government whistleblower. ... The decision to summarily revoke Zaid’s clearance took place just days after Zaid filed a lawsuit against the government on behalf of FBI employees to protect them rom being targeted for their work related to the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 12/25/25 at 11:14 am to
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RelentlessAnalysis


I’ll give you one thing. You’re absolutely a “true believer.”
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2187 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 11:14 am to
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As expected, Trump cut corners.
So a federal judge is granted presidential powers?
No, just the JUDICIAL power to require the Executive to follow the law in its actions.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87642 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 11:14 am to
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Born in Ontario. One of them scary Canucks.


Still not an American. Ruling on American security matters.

If you can’t see a problem with that, Hank, your TDS has you farther gone than I thought.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2187 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 11:15 am to
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I’ll give you one thing. You’re absolutely a “true believer.”
In the US Constitution and our system of laws? Abso-fricking-lutely.

I find it sad that Trumpists assign more importance to Trump and his goals than to the principles of the US Constitution. VERY sad.
This post was edited on 12/25/25 at 11:42 am
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
3352 posts
Posted on 12/25/25 at 11:16 am to
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Yes, he has dual citizenship with our arch enemy… Canada.


Past time to kill dual citizenship. You're either an American or you're not.
This post was edited on 12/25/25 at 1:37 pm
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