re: For those who hate Trump, tell us why you think he was a bad POTUS. Be specific.

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Again, plenty to complain about that is unique and specific to person in question. And the first one listed is this garbage. As if covid didn’t happen, and as if any GOP is fiscally conservative anymore. How many decades has it been since you could make that claim with a straight face?

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Uh.. Trump was deficit spending BEFORE COVID.

The deficit was 3.2% of GDP in 2016.

The deficit was 4.6% of GDP in 2019.

The number is fine.

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plenty to complain about that is unique and specific to person in question.

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This thread said nothing about that.

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any GOP is fiscally conservative anymore. How many decades has it been since you could make that claim with a straight face?

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Does that mean one can't criticize him for it especially when one runs on a fiscal conservatism platform?

Trump bragged that he reduced debt in his first month of presidency. Clearly, this did not happen in reality through his presidency if the deficit grew, hence the debt grew.

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any GOP is fiscally conservative anymore. How many decades has it been since you could make that claim with a straight face?

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I thought racking up massive debt was fiscal conservativism?

Reagan spent massive amounts of money on things like NATO to defeat the soviets with the promise that we would pay it off after we won. He promised there would be this great windfall that came from post cold war globalization.

Then Bush Sr spent massive amounts of money supporting those emerging markets in rebuilding his thousand points of light plan.

Bush Jr spent another fortune fighting windmills after 9-11and on building up our intelligence network.

Trump - attacked nato, global trade agreements, domestic intelligence, foreign wars - and somehow still spent a massive amount of money.

Leftist economics and yuge, record-setting spending

Cuck to the Deep State and little tyrants like Fauci

Completely ineffective at getting anything done other than rubber stamping GOPe policies

He reversed Obama's policy on Cuba

It’s not that he would be bad. That is not the problem. It’s the fact that he’s going to be in fricking jail. There’s your problem.

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This is asinine to say. He accomplished plenty and had the best economy in recent history.

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You are making the typical mistake of crediting, or blaming the President for the economy. The economy tanked in 2008. The Fed and the President’s people, first under Bush, and then under Obama, did the hard work of dragging us out of recession. The economy was accelerating year over year before Trump took over. Trump did an excellent job on the economy, but it was going to do well even if Hillary won.

Here is an excerpt from center-leftist Matthew Yglesias. In it he admits that Trump did well, but he ascribes it all to luck. He says that Trump employed idiotic policies that happened to work because the stars aligned. But they’ll fail this time. He does not consider the possibility that Trump employed those policies because the stars aligned that way, and if he’s reelected he might employ different policies to suit the current situation. Anyway, enjoy this…

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Trump’s successful irresponsibility One of the oddities of the Trump Era is that he not only wanted to turn every political debate into a symbolic discussion, but he largely mind-tricked the entire media — including the segments that are maximally hostile to him — into discussing politics this way.

David Brooks wrote a column recently that exemplifies the genre, one I’m citing not because it’s a bad column but precisely because it’s a good one. He tries, in a sympathetic and caring way, to talk Trump-hating educated elites through what the world looks like from the other side and to get people to see the appeal of symbolic backlash politics. But what Brooks doesn’t mention, much less discuss sympathetically, is Trump’s actual policymaking.

Fortunately, Trump’s numbskull economic populism worked out basically fine during his term in office precisely because the debt-scold critiques of Obama were wrong. Trump did a giant regressive tax cut, but still got to be a “populist” because domestic spending also went up. There was no guns or butter tradeoff because military spending went up, too. And because inflation was low, the fact that tariffs raised prices didn’t bother anyone. Interest rates did rise a little at the beginning of Trump’s term. But he complained about it, fired Fed Chair Janet Yellen, elevated Jerome Powell, and then harangued Powell — with eventual success, though the Fed would deny Trump’s bullying had anything to do with it — into cutting interest rates.

The crazy thing about all of this is that it worked out because it was (as I said at the time!) actually an appropriate policy mix for the circumstances. By blowing off any thought of fiscal responsibility, increasing both domestic and military spending, cutting taxes, and keeping interest rates low, Trump improved the labor market. I think the economic good times that prevailed as of winter 2019–2020 were critical to maintaining the viability of his presidency. And the fond recollection of those good times — paired with the sense that Trump prioritized the economy during Covid — is key to the measure of public esteem he still retains. The problem is that while these policies were appropriate for the time, they are not remotely appropriate today, and there’s a huge risk of disaster if we try Trumponomics 2.0.

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Tell me ur a member of cult45 without saying it. Why name call, I just answered a question asked on the forum, sorry u believed the Big Lie for which a lot of people are in jail for or gonna court for believing or participating in the spread of it

You suffer from TDS