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Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:56 am to Revelator
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All nations fall and there are stages of decline that preceded that fall. All are results of sin.
The Hindus see it as a repeating cycle, with four stages. The final stage is the Kali Yuga.
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In Kali-yuga, wealth alone will be considered the sign of a man’s good birth, proper behavior and fine qualities. And law and justice will be applied only on the basis of one’s power.
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Sukadeva Gosvami said: Then, O King, religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy, duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day by day because of the powerful influence of the age of Kali.
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The Hindus are an ancient people, and think their cycle of ages describes a real phenomenon. It’s just how societies decay over time.
They’re just so old that they’ve actually seen and documented it.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:00 pm to Revelator
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All nations fall and there are stages of decline that preceded that fall. All are results of sin.
So a nation ascends to greatness through Christianity, starts to abandon Christian principles and then collapses under as it turns its back to God.
What about nations that have ascended to great power that weren't Christian? How did they ascend to greatness in spite of their lack of Christian beliefs?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:02 pm to El Segundo Guy
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What about nations that have ascended to great power that weren't Christian? How did they ascend to greatness in spite of their lack of Christian beliefs?
God allowed it for his greater purpose. The Old Testament is replete with stories of how God allowed Israel’s heathen enemies to prosper as punishment towards Israel.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:05 pm to Revelator
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God allowed it for his greater purpose. The Old Testament is replete with stories of how God allowed Israel’s heathen enemies to prosper as punishment towards Israel.
So then maybe our rise and fall had little, if anything, to do with Christianity.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:07 pm to Revelator
I was born in Israel and only knew a few Christians growing up, but they were significantly more active in religious congregation and prayer than any "religious" Christian I encountered when I moved here.
Same could be said of most Jews here too.
But I've read the Bible twice and I don't understand why you'd need to read it over and over again. Most Christians I know haven't ever read it.
Same could be said of most Jews here too.
But I've read the Bible twice and I don't understand why you'd need to read it over and over again. Most Christians I know haven't ever read it.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:07 pm to Mo Jeaux
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So then maybe our rise and fall had little, if anything, to do with Christianity.
It can be both our turning our backs on God, him removing his hand of protection, and still be part of God’s will and timing.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:08 pm to Mo Jeaux
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So then maybe our rise and fall had little, if anything, to do with Christianity.
Exactly.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:09 pm to Revelator
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God allowed Israel’s heathen enemies to prosper as punishment towards Israel.
These rationalizations just start to look more and more ridiculous...
The Xia dynasty is traditionally said to be the first of many ancient Chinese ruling houses. It is thought to have existed from around 2070 until 1600 B.C.E...
The first Xia king, Yu, is said to have repaired the damage caused by a major flood. For this reason, legend has it, the gods awarded him the Mandate of Heaven, or the right to rule. This right was passed down through his family line.
The Xia dynasty is said to have been overthrown in 1600 B.C.E. by the first Shang leader. Because the existence of the Xia dynasty is debated, the Shang dynasty is sometimes seen as the first of China's dynasties.
The Shang rulers maintained control for around 600 years. The period of their rule saw the invention of Chinese writing, and many later historians viewed it as China's "Golden Age." In 1046 B.C.E. the Shang king was overthrown by the first Zhou king, ending the Shang dynasty.
Can you please explain to us how God allowing Chinese civilization to flourish is somehow supposed to be punishment against Israel?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:11 pm to jonnyanony
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But I've read the Bible twice and I don't understand why you'd need to read it over and over again. Most Christians I know haven't ever read it.
Because the Bible is a living word that the Holy Spirit uses to speak to us. Sometimes, depending on our circumstances, the very same passage that we’ve overlooked in previous readings speaks to that particular need.
Plus, the Bible is described as our spiritual food and drink, and just as we eat every day, we are encouraged to read the word daily.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:11 pm to jonnyanony
Double post
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:14 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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These rationalizations just start to look more and more ridiculous... Can you please explain to us how God allowing Chinese civilization to flourish is somehow supposed to be punishment against Israel?
Biblical theologians have been saying for years that China, Russia and Iran would one day form an alliance in the last days and come against Israel.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:19 pm to MNCTigah
quote:Why would that be a violation of rights in a theocratic country where the king was God, Himself? Wouldn't unbelief, and therefore, a refusal to submit yourself to Him, be a form of treason in that setup? If so, why would that be a violation of rights?
In Deuteronomy, he commands believers to kill people like me (non-believer). I would think that's a gross violation of the most substantial of all "rights"... lol
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:25 pm to jonnyanony
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Most Christians I know haven't ever read it.
It was part of our education system until the end of the 20th century. If you somehow skipped bible school on Sunday, you’d still get a textual education in school.
I read it for the first time in 6th grade.
For a westerner, a religious education was part of being educated.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:27 pm to Revelator
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Biblical theologians have been saying for years that China, Russia and Iran would one day form an alliance in the last days and come against Israel.
Oh boy. Equating modern-day Israel with Biblical Israel.

Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:31 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Oh boy. Equating modern-day Israel with Biblical Israel.
The Bible says in the end, certain nations would come against a geographical Israel and be instantly and miraculously destroyed. If you want to argue that this geographical Israel is different than the Israel of old, that’s a different issue.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:35 pm to LSUSkip
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Most of them that I know of, their only issue with Christianity is that they just don't believe in an all-powerful God in the sky. I get it, hard to believe in something you can't understand. Sometimes my synical side questions it too.
I'm atheist. Initially, an angry atheist when confronted with all of the evils put forth by religion. Christianity being the epitome of such evil. Historically, they were the most murderous bunch of thugs. Additionally, they destroyed and looted antiquity for both vengeance and personal wealth. The Library at Alexandria, for example. It's amazing how much knowledge the ancients had (atomists, matter, philosophy, etc.).
The Cristian God... hateful and vindictive. I would think an all encompassing entity wouldn't be subject to fallible human emotions. An authoritarian who demands fealty from all of his subjects. Woefully absent from children suffering from cancers, hunger, etc.
Christians cherry pick and whitewash their actual history and their manual for life (The Bible).
Recently, Islam. A murderous God surfaces again.
We were all born atheists. You have to be indoctrinated to believe in a God. I overcame my Catholic indoctrination.
Atheism for me isn't a belief system. It's just a rejection of the supernatural. I live in a reality based on facts and evidences.
I've chilled as I've grown older. My entire family is religious.
There are churches and private homes for the free exercise of religion. It should be kept out of the public sphere.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:40 pm to MNCTigah
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We were all born atheists. You have to be indoctrinated to believe in a God.
It’s the exact opposite.
We are all born with a natural inclination to know God. Romans says the creation itself shows the excellence of God.
One has to unlearn God.
This occurs oftentimes on the campuses of Godless universities lead by godless professors.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:46 pm to MNCTigah
One of the large issues I have with Christianity is the belief that it's 'God's plan, you may not know why, but trust in him.' Sometimes things happen and there's just no way it should be part of anyone's plan. If rain falls on the just and unjust alike, why do some people have to suffer immensely compared to others. Whether you're a Christian or not, most people that aren't so self-serving or vile would agree that abortion is absolutely abhorrent. How is abortion possible, what purpose could that possibly serve? I'll just never get it.
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:46 pm to Revelator
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Biblical theologians have been saying for years that China, Russia and Iran would one day form an alliance in the last days and come against Israel.
Could you perhaps be a little more vague?
Or how about provide some sort of support for your statement, a link, a quote, something...? "Some have said for a long time..." just really isn't saying anything as all sorts of people have said all sorts of dumb shite for a real long time.
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