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re: Folks, Canada’s Pierre Polly Doesn’t Have It
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:38 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:38 am to Fun Bunch
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I don't necessarily disagree, I'm just trying to present Canada's side of the situation, politically and PR wise.
sounds like they are fricked no matter what they do
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:38 am to LuckyTiger
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He should be bashing his opposition and selling himself as a deal maker that can handle Trump,
He cannot PR wise because of the way Canadians feel about the rhetoric headed their way. If it was simply about tariffs and so on then yes. The 51st State stuff and "governor", etc has them not in the mood for dealmaking.
As reality sets in they will likely be in a different mood for a deal (aka how much they need the US), but currently no.
We are in a short term moment of a long term play.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:39 am to RohanGonzales
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sounds like they are fricked no matter what they do
Trump will start softening the rhetoric on their sovereignty when he thinks they are ripe for a deal.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:44 am to Fun Bunch
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Nothing Pierre said was wrong, he should be defending Canada.
Agree. I have no position on Pierre, but I'm not going to feign anger at him advocating for his country.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:48 am to Fun Bunch
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He cannot PR wise because of the way Canadians feel about the rhetoric headed their way. If it was simply about tariffs and so on then yes. The 51st State stuff and "governor", etc has them not in the mood for dealmaking.
So he says:
“President Trump, Canada is a sovereign nation separate from the United States and always will be. We are not the 51st state. I plan on being the next Prime Minister of Canada, not its governor.
To my fellow Canadians, the leaders of the Liberal Party including the current Prime Minuster and the governor of Ontario have handled this rhetoric all wrong. I will work with President Trump to improve and continue the friendship our two nations have had. I will work with him to create a trade agreement that benefits both countries and improves our bond as neighbors. Antagonizing him and threatening him only makes a tense situation more volatile. Threatening to turn off people’s power is cruel and punishes innocent everyday people who just want to live their lives. The common sense approach is to negotiate with President Trump on behalf of the Canadian people to find a solution that benefits Canadians and Americans alike.”
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:48 am to Pettifogger
It's crazy to think that him winning or losing could decide Alberta's attempt to leave Canada which could eventually cause a chain that will end the country as we know it.
He was a voice of reason against Trudeau, kind of sad now.
He was a voice of reason against Trudeau, kind of sad now.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:50 am to cattus
Alberta's not leaving Canada, and we don't want them.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:56 am to Fun Bunch
That's why I said attempt. Atlantic Canada will do everything in the power to stop them but if Trump gets on their side whether it be for their independence a territory or a state, their chances could go up tremendously to be one of those either way.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 10:02 am to cattus
The last poll on the topic in Alberta had 70% remain while 23% leaving. That is somewhat significant but not what seems to be portrayed in the right wing twitterverse.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 10:04 am to LuckyTiger
That’s fine. They’re are gonna have a rough decade anyway. Let the libs take the fall for it.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 10:11 am to Fun Bunch
Yeah, I was just in Canada and spent some time with Albertans and I could tell you that there are some that don't even smile when you mentioned the prospect of joining us. Very proud. The more research ones that have weighed the pros and cons are more for it. And if Carney wins you will see polls change on all options. We will see soon.
Interestingly some Canadians think what Carney just said about our relationship with them ending was historic and has some scared. We here barely even noticed.
Interestingly some Canadians think what Carney just said about our relationship with them ending was historic and has some scared. We here barely even noticed.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 10:13 am to prplhze2000
Cry me a river. Reciprocal. Why are you fricking clowns ok with EVERY country on the planet having tariffs against US products and you whine like little toddlers when someone finally has the balls to reciprocate?
Oh and you probably also cried about the Chinese tariffs in Term one. The tariffs that Biden KEPT when he took office.
Canada refused to help with border security and drugs. They are the ones that blew the cordial relationship up.
Oh and you probably also cried about the Chinese tariffs in Term one. The tariffs that Biden KEPT when he took office.
Canada refused to help with border security and drugs. They are the ones that blew the cordial relationship up.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 10:13 am to Fun Bunch
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He cannot PR wise because of the way Canadians feel about the rhetoric headed their way. If it was simply about tariffs and so on then yes. The 51st State stuff and "governor", etc has them not in the mood for dealmaking.
Meh
He is who he is. That’s the problem.
But if he were truly a conservative he could make a very simple and popular case.
“Trump is America First. We need the same in Canada…someone who always puts Canada first.
This will allow productive negotiation with Trump. This will allow the two nations to prosper together.
My opponents who think it is wise and productive to antagonize the United States will end up severely harming Canadians.”
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 10:53 am
Posted on 3/28/25 at 10:16 am to LuckyTiger
Pierre is a cuck. He’s left of Clinton and a globalist. Canada is doomed.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 1:02 pm to Fun Bunch
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The so called Conservative Provinces would have gone to a Democrat in overhwhelming numbers in all of the past few Presidential elections.
Based on a poll?
You are a legit moron.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 1:30 pm to Fun Bunch
Trump didn't make it about business such as tariffs but he made it personal. They took all the talk of Governors, 51st states, and other insults personally.
Just like Southerners do when the North starts bashing them. Trump should have stuck to business instead of making it personal.
Just like Southerners do when the North starts bashing them. Trump should have stuck to business instead of making it personal.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 1:52 pm to RohanGonzales
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sounds like they are fricked no matter what they do
Which is why there are talks in Ottawa on decoupling from the U.S., particularly on trade.
They are at our mercy, and a reasonable Canadian approach would be to manage exposure to political changes in the U.S.
This post was edited on 3/30/25 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 3/30/25 at 1:53 pm to LuckyTiger
The conservatives are toast in Canada. Getting rid of Trudeau is probably the biggest factor, but POTUS needlessly being obnoxious is also a huge factor. Canadians are patriotic.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 1:55 pm to LuckyTiger
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Canada needs the US massively more than the US needs Canada.
No honest person disputes that. Canada is also a friend and ally. Coming this hard at them out of the blue isn’t good strategy.
They need us more than we need them, but we absolutely benefit in having a close relationship. Driving them away on purpose is just dumb. Same with Europe. Fundamental changes to the relationship are needed on the economic and security fronts, but I don’t see how slamming the door helps anyone in the United States.
This post was edited on 3/30/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 5:36 am to LuckyTiger
Yep.
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