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Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:59 pm to Vacherie Saint
trying to wrap my head around this..
Let's say Biden reads the WaPo article about Kilysak talking to "MASKED AMERICAN #1".. He wants to know who that is, so he requests it be unmasked. Finds out it's Flynn.
That's not illegal, correct? Obviously it means he was full of shite when he spoke yesterday, but legally he's not in any danger, right?
The real crime is the person who unmasked Flynn legally, and then gave his name to the media... right?
I'll hang up and listen
Let's say Biden reads the WaPo article about Kilysak talking to "MASKED AMERICAN #1".. He wants to know who that is, so he requests it be unmasked. Finds out it's Flynn.
That's not illegal, correct? Obviously it means he was full of shite when he spoke yesterday, but legally he's not in any danger, right?
The real crime is the person who unmasked Flynn legally, and then gave his name to the media... right?
I'll hang up and listen
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:01 pm to jmcwhrter
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re: Flynn was unmasked 44 times by 30+ officials prior to Kislyak phone callPosted on 5/13/20 at 2:55 pm to cajunangelle
Per Admiral Rogers, an unmasking request sent to the NSA has to be considered by a person with authority to do the unmasking. (There are 20 who can do it, including Rogers.) The request has to be in writing, and has to set forth the reason for the request. There are 3 criteria. 1. They need the info in the capacity of their official job function; 2. There must be a legitimate need for the info; 3. They need the info to better understand the intelligence.
Here, unmasking requests were sent. Would be interesting to see the written requests, and the purported "need" for the unmasking. If NSA doing their job, they'd only provide the name if the request met their "guidelines". Thus, if the requests were bogus, the NSA unmasker must have been asleep at the wheel. (The criteria is what Admiral Rogers discussed in his testimony.) For the life of me, what "reason" would Joe Biden put in an unmasking request, and how would that be a legitimate request based on his official job function?
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re: Flynn was unmasked 44 times by 30+ officials prior to Kislyak phone callPosted on 5/13/20 at 2:55 pm to cajunangelle
Per Admiral Rogers, an unmasking request sent to the NSA has to be considered by a person with authority to do the unmasking. (There are 20 who can do it, including Rogers.) The request has to be in writing, and has to set forth the reason for the request. There are 3 criteria. 1. They need the info in the capacity of their official job function; 2. There must be a legitimate need for the info; 3. They need the info to better understand the intelligence.
Here, unmasking requests were sent. Would be interesting to see the written requests, and the purported "need" for the unmasking. If NSA doing their job, they'd only provide the name if the request met their "guidelines". Thus, if the requests were bogus, the NSA unmasker must have been asleep at the wheel. (The criteria is what Admiral Rogers discussed in his testimony.) For the life of me, what "reason" would Joe Biden put in an unmasking request, and how would that be a legitimate request based on his official job function?
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:02 pm to boosiebadazz
I believe they were cut off from the nsa databases on or near the summer of 2016, and had already moved onto the fisa warrants and had Halper poking aroung GP prior to the election. They were already past the point of no return by November.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:02 pm to Vacherie Saint
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I am told...Flynn is the tip of the iceberg...this gets worse. "Adam you are looking at the foyer of a house that is a 20 bedroom mansion"
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I am told...Flynn is the tip of the iceberg...this gets worse. "Adam you are looking at the foyer of a house that is a 20 bedroom mansion"
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:02 pm to Brannigans_Law
That’s kinda been my thinking in continuing to say there may be other info not in the public domain they knew then that we just aren’t privy to.
Because it’s asinine to think they could get away with this given the incredible surveillance state we all live in. I make the joke about John Brennan’s AOL chat logs laying out the conspiracy but you’ve gotta think the man is wily enough to pull off the silent coup, but not wily enough to cover his tracks and is leaving an indictable paper trail.
I know the rebuttal is “they thought she would win and it’s all swept under the rug”, but some of this was going on even after the election.
It just doesn’t make logical sense, but maybe they hated Trump so much they were willing to take the risk.
Because it’s asinine to think they could get away with this given the incredible surveillance state we all live in. I make the joke about John Brennan’s AOL chat logs laying out the conspiracy but you’ve gotta think the man is wily enough to pull off the silent coup, but not wily enough to cover his tracks and is leaving an indictable paper trail.
I know the rebuttal is “they thought she would win and it’s all swept under the rug”, but some of this was going on even after the election.
It just doesn’t make logical sense, but maybe they hated Trump so much they were willing to take the risk.
This post was edited on 5/13/20 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:03 pm to Loserman
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Flynn really pissed off Obama
I agree. My opinion only, I think this was more about discrediting Flynn, basically making him out to be a liar and foreign agent looking out for his own interests. I think this was done to totally discredit any of the Obama Amin. dirt that Flynn could shed light on. There is really no other reasonable explanation for the amount of resources they had tied up with the Flynn trap
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:04 pm to Megasaurus
And I never understood how Flynn connected to the Misfud/ PoppaD trap.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:05 pm to boosiebadazz
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That’s kinda been my thinking in continuing to say there may be other info not in the public domain they knew then that we just aren’t privy to.
So you think after the trash mueller investigations, the trash fbi investigations, the trash house investigations, the ig report, there’s still unknown justification for this?
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:05 pm to NashvilleTider
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I am told...Flynn is the tip of the iceberg...this gets worse. "Adam you are looking at the foyer of a house that is a 20 bedroom mansion"
I believe this.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:05 pm to NashvilleTider
Once Trump won, they really HAD to double down and have him removed from office. They were in too deep.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:07 pm to jmcwhrter
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trying to wrap my head around this.. Let's say Biden reads the WaPo article about Kilysak talking to "MASKED AMERICAN #1".. He wants to know who that is, so he requests it be unmasked. Finds out it's Flynn. That's not illegal, correct? Obviously it means he was full of shite when he spoke yesterday, but legally he's not in any danger, right? The real crime is the person who unmasked Flynn legally, and then gave his name to the media... right? I'll hang up and listen
Correct. The unmasking in itself takes prior authorization which Biden obviously had. The part that is illegal is sharing that name with unauthorized people..leaking..
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:07 pm to Turbeauxdog
I don’t know that. But the more we learn about the inner workings of the FBI and the CIA around that time the more absurd and corrupt the decisions they were making look.
It’s either the Keystone Cops at the upper echelon of federal law enforcement and the intelligence apparatus, or there are bombshells that have not yet dropped. I don’t see how there is a middle ground.
It’s either the Keystone Cops at the upper echelon of federal law enforcement and the intelligence apparatus, or there are bombshells that have not yet dropped. I don’t see how there is a middle ground.
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Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:08 pm to boosiebadazz
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Because it’s asinine to think they could get away with this given the incredible surveillance state we all live in. I make the joke about John Brennan’s AOL chat logs laying out the conspiracy but you’ve gotta think the man is wily enough to pull off the silent coup, but not wily enough to cover his tracks and is leaving an indictable paper trail.
The counter argument is that we have known that this was taking place for three years. And yet it’s taken the entire time to get concrete proof. And the replacement of dozens of department heads and directors.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:09 pm to boosiebadazz
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And I never understood how Flynn connected to the Misfud/ PoppaD trap.
My understanding is not directly connected tot he Mifsud/PappaD trap. However they both fall under the MUH Russia umbrella.
Flynn is a totally separate thread only linked to Russia because the Russian Ambassador Kysilak (sp?) called the incoming National Security Advisor, General Flynn, about the new sanctions put on Russia by Obama. The FBI recorded this call.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:10 pm to boosiebadazz
He didn't. The only way they could legally spy on americans was by finding Trump targets with foreign connections. Then they use the "degrees of separation" rule to widen the net.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:11 pm to joshnorris14
Obamagate just got a lot bigger and more specific. Not that I'm surprised
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:11 pm to Vacherie Saint
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The only way they could legally spy on americans was by finding Trump targets with foreign connections. Then they use the "degrees of separation" rule to widen the net.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:12 pm to Vacherie Saint
I guess that makes sense but they already had their foot into the campaign for degrees of separation purposes with the bogus FISA warrants
Posted on 5/13/20 at 3:12 pm to joshnorris14
The question has been posed - "Was there a FISA issued on Flynn?" If he was unmasked 44 times prior to the Kislyak call, then that would be plausible.
Gone is the idea that Flynn was accidentally unmasked because we were spying on Kislyak.
Gone is the idea that Flynn was accidentally unmasked because we were spying on Kislyak.
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