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Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:20 pm to TigerCruise
You just knew Narrative Collapse was coming.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:21 pm to rt3
quote:Well the compete report is not out yet.
the ME's report gives the officer a HUGE out now
And I think this portion of the criminal complaint has been overlooked and is pretty damning:
quote:
The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:22 pm to Smeg
No I didn't 
I equated it to a non-direct cause of death. You said the knee to the back of his neck didn't kill him. It was only a contributing factor since his official cause of death wasn't asphyxiation. I said that's like tying someone up in the woods and leaving them there. Their official cause of death isn't "Tied up in the woods." It would be dehydration, hypothermia, etc. So the action of tying them up is only a contributing factor right? They weren't directly killed by that individual. The individual just contributed to it.
I equated it to a non-direct cause of death. You said the knee to the back of his neck didn't kill him. It was only a contributing factor since his official cause of death wasn't asphyxiation. I said that's like tying someone up in the woods and leaving them there. Their official cause of death isn't "Tied up in the woods." It would be dehydration, hypothermia, etc. So the action of tying them up is only a contributing factor right? They weren't directly killed by that individual. The individual just contributed to it.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:23 pm to zeebo
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:24 pm to rt3
quote:The ME's report is not complete.
the ME's report gives the officer a HUGE out now
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:24 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
And I think this portion of the criminal complaint has been overlooked and his pretty damning:quote:
The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m
not really... I've seen this happen plenty of times on Live PD where the cops get someone into the car but the person is resisting in a way that keeps the officer from getting them secured in the vehicle (seat belted in) so they remove the person again to try and get them to calm down
usually it's drunk fools
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:26 pm to TigerCruise
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Medical examiner said they found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation" in George Floyd's death
The next question is, obviously, what killed him?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:27 pm to rt3
quote:
the ME's report gives the officer a HUGE out now
It doesn’t seem to. The defendant was asked specifically if they needed to move the victim for fear of delirium by one of the other officers, to which the defendant refused. That makes the manslaughter charge very likely to stick, in my view.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:28 pm to rt3
quote:Well when we’re discussing actions that could have prevented death, AND THE DEFENDANT was the one who pulled him back out of the car, and the other two officers are not mentioned despite the defendant assisting them to get him in the car, and then that led to the fatal last encounter, it sure seems important to me.
not really... I've seen this happen plenty of times on Live PD where the cops get someone into the car but the person is resisting in a way that keeps the officer from getting them secured in the vehicle (seat belted in) so they remove the person again to try and get them to calm down
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:30 pm to JG77056
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He also concluded that the officer’s restraint of Floyd was a contributing factor in the last sentence, so....
What does that mean? Being restrained is reasonable. If you are saying the manner in which he was restrained is the cause, then I need to understand why. (for example, if the knee broke his neck or prevented blood flow, or strangled him, etc.)
But, if him being held down was the cause of death because of his health problems, this really does change everything.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:30 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Well when we’re discussing actions that could have prevented death, AND THE DEFENDANT was the one who pulled him back out of the car, and the other two officers are not mentioned despite the defendant assisting them to get him in the car, and then that led to the fatal last encounter, it sure seems important to me.
he could've just been in the better position to get the deceased out of the car easier
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:32 pm to rt3
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he could've just been in the better position to get the deceased out of the car easier
So it takes one man to remove him from a car and 3 to hold him down while he’s unconscious/dead. Makes sense.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:34 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:
That makes the manslaughter charge very likely to stick, in my view.
point being... if tMob thinks this officer is going to spend 20-life in prison... it ain't happening
IF he's convicted of 2nd degree manslaughter... I don't even think he gets the max of 10 years in prison... and when all things are considered... he could be free in < 3 years
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:34 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well he was fired immediately before the rioting, and that’s almost more telling than the murder charges since firing an officer in a union is not something that happens quickly at all.
I believe he was technically placed on leave immediately and not fired.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:35 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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The individual just contributed to it.
What exactly was the contribution? Do you know the actual cause of death?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:35 pm to rt3
quote:
point being... if tMob thinks this officer is going to spend 20-life in prison... it ain't happening IF he's convicted of 2nd degree manslaughter... I don't even think he gets the max of 10 years in prison... and when all things are considered... he could be free in < 3 years
He should get general population.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:35 pm to FluffyBunnyFeet
quote:Not to Dems nor inner city yewt's.
Not breathing, no. It only carries oxygenated blood to the brain, which I hear is a pretty important factor in continuing to be alive.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:36 pm to buckeye_vol
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The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m.
Does this show the cop was trying to help Floyd since floyd was complaining about being claustrophobic?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:36 pm to Dawgfanman
Yeah, that official report just makes it even worse. Officer Lane expressing his concern and Officer Chauvin dismissing them.
Then after checking his pulse and finding no pulse, they continued to hold him down instead of starting resuscitation procedures.
Then after checking his pulse and finding no pulse, they continued to hold him down instead of starting resuscitation procedures.
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