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re: Florida passed law requiring “In God We Trust” signage in all schools
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:48 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:48 am to FooManChoo
quote:OK, I will play.
I'll help you out a bit: if someone was asked to describe you and then proceeded to describe someone completely different from you, would you say that their description of you and who you actually are match just because they claimed to be talking about you? Of course not. Who we are is much more than our names. The Allah of the Qur'an is a completely different being (or non-being) than the God of the Bible. Descriptions matter.
Imagine that your elementary school friends were to describe you today. Now imagine that your high school friends describe you today. Now, imagine that your work friends describe you and that your church friends describe you. Let’s add your Army buddies and your banker. Last, assume that your family describes you.
If those seven descriptions were 100% in agreement with one another, One would suspect (dare I say it?) “collusion” of some sort.
Each description would be focused upon the nature of your interaction with the narrator and (to an even greater extent) the perspective of that narrator.
The various pespectives upon the Abrahamic deity are not substantively different.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 10:55 am
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Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:50 am to Green Chili Tiger
quote:Ssshhhquote:I bet they're smart enough to spell *conceited.
The conceded arse who is so smart that he or she has the answers to everything.
He is not illiterate. He is an angry 27-year-old. We are not yet sure why he is so angry. My guess is woman-problems.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:52 am to FooManChoo
quote:
I'll help you out a bit: if someone was asked to describe you and then proceeded to describe someone completely different from you, would you say that their description of you and who you actually are match just because they claimed to be talking about you? Of course not. Who we are is much more than our names. The Allah of the Qur'an is a completely different being (or non-being) than the God of the Bible. Descriptions matter.
I get what you're saying, but the Catholic Church thinks otherwise...
quote:
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
^Catechism.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:56 am to Green Chili Tiger
Yet again, a loser knows they have an inability to debate ideas. So you try to discredit someone based on a misspelling. How very mature of you.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:57 am to AggieHank86
No woman problems, I just despise the parasitic liberals. You freaks are the personification of cancer.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:59 am to conservativewifeymom
quote:
My parents didn't choose to move to a country that worships Allah. Period and end of story.
Yes we know. You became a green card princess so you could force your religion on others....have you always desired to be a Christian Taliban or this something new for you?
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 11:24 am
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:01 am to Parmen
Waste of time and tax dollars.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:04 am to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:
My thing with these people is they act like this country wasn’t founded on Christianity as the bedrock for everything else
everything else....you mean like slavery?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:05 am to ctalati32
I realize that this country does not have an official religion, but to act as if the Founding Fathers were a bunch of atheists whose worldview wasn’t shaped a whole helluva lot by their Christian beliefs and that this wasn’t a nation of Christians at the founding is pretty damn disingenuous.
Again, I agree with you on your basic point but we were a nation of Christians at the outset.
Again, I agree with you on your basic point but we were a nation of Christians at the outset.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:13 am to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:
I realize that this country does not have an official religion, but to act as if the Founding Fathers were a bunch of atheists whose worldview wasn’t shaped a whole helluva lot by their Christian beliefs and that this wasn’t a nation of Christians at the founding is pretty damn disingenuous.
Again, I agree with you on your basic point but we were a nation of Christians at the outset.
I’m not a liberal by anymeans, and I recognize that the early days of America were overwhelmingly Christian. However, we have changed drastically over the last couple of centuries. We have people from all walks of life that live here. I believe it is a little unfair to put “God” on public buildings. My stance is tolerate all, endorse none.
But I’m really not losing sleep over this. If the majority of people in Florida are fine with this, then fine by me. If a few people really get bent out of shape over it, suck it up.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:25 am to AggieHank86
quote:The first pertinent characteristic about God from the Bible is this: He does not change.
OK, I will play.
Imagine that your elementary school friends were to describe you today. Now imagine that your high school friends describe you today. Now, imagine that your work friends describe you and that your church friends describe you. Let’s add your Army buddies and your banker. Last, assume that your family describes you.
If those seven descriptions were 100% in agreement with one another, One would suspect (dare I say it?) “collusion” of some sort.
Each description would be focused upon the nature of your interaction with the narrator and (to an even greater extent) the perspective of that narrator.
The various pespectives upon the Abrahamic deity are not substantively different.
The second is this: God does not lie.
When you combine the two of those, you can see where there would be a disconnect between Judaism/Christianity and Islam. If Muhammed really did get some sort of revelation from some supernatural being, it was not from the same God of the Bible that inspired the writings of the old and new testaments because both the Bible and the Qur'an claim to be the revealed word of God. It's not a matter of perspective when the words, themselves, paint a completely different picture of who God is vs. who Allah is.
Considering God doesn't change, it wouldn't be relevant to ask my childhood friends since I would have changed since childhood. But excluding them, it would be like my work friends and my church friends mixing up my ethnicity, my words, actions, and professed worldviews. It'd be like my work friends describing me someone who doesn't like to hang out with other people; as someone who doesn't tell the truth, or gets wasted and high all the time, or who cheats on my wife and beats my kids while my church friends are saying the opposite of all of that.
It's not simply about perspective but what is written as truth about who I am, or in the case of what we're talking about, who God is. This isn't about nuance but fundamental differences that make the God of the Bible completely different than the god of Islam.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:31 am to slackster
quote:1. I'm a Protestant and not a Roman Catholic, and
I get what you're saying, but the Catholic Church thinks otherwise...
2. You have just provided a good reason why I am not a Roman Catholic.
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. -John 14:6
If Muslims reject that Jesus is the Son of God and reject that Christ died on the cross for the remission of sins and was resurrected from the dead, then they are not going to receive the gift of salvation. Salvation comes through Christ alone and if the Roman Catholic church believes otherwise, then may they be damned for their lies.
Fortunately, many RC's don't agree with the catechism on that point, if indeed it is saying what it seems to clearly be saying.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:35 am to Powerman
quote:
Replace God with Allah
How would you feel about that?
Actually, they are one in the same.
Christianity. The Aramaic word for "God" in the language of Assyrian Christians is 'Elaha, or Alaha. Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:39 am to Parmen
classic "feel good" legislation for a segment of the population.
It's actually cynical, if you really think about it.
It's actually cynical, if you really think about it.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:45 am to Themole
quote:They are not and I'm saddened that so many people think that they are just because "Allah" means "god" and that those religions claim to come through Abraham.
Actually, they are one in the same.
God is described very differently in the Bible than Allah is in the Qur'an. They cannot be the same person/entity.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:49 am to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:
but to act as if the Founding Fathers were a bunch of atheists whose worldview wasn’t shaped a whole helluva lot by their Christian beliefs and that this wasn’t a nation of Christians at the founding is pretty damn disingenuous.
regardless if this is true or not it does not make us a christian nation. Sorry but I'm not christian and your religion does not trump mine. You are welcome to find another country if you feel different I hear Iran is nice this time of year and are strong in their religious beliefs
Posted on 8/14/18 at 12:02 pm to FooManChoo
Jehovah knew that Judaism would not sell in the Roman world, so he created Christianity to spread His Word outside Palestine. But he was not able to tailor the message for Arabs?
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 8/14/18 at 12:06 pm to Revelator
Amen!
Posted on 8/14/18 at 12:07 pm to ctalati32
Does Allah have a Son?!?! Ha, didn't think so. Definitely NOT the same God.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 12:09 pm to asurob1
You do NOTHING but waste time and space.
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