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re: Florida passed law requiring “In God We Trust” signage in all schools

Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:34 pm to
Posted by Yak
DuPage County
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:34 pm to
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It's the official United States motto, but I'm sure you knew that.
That happened in 1956, it's not like it's been here for very long
Posted by ctalati32
Member since Sep 2007
4070 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:41 pm to
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Does Allah have a Son?!?! Ha, didn't think so. Definitely NOT the same God.




Neither does Yahweh, but there is a significant consensus that Judaism and Christianity follow the same God.

In Islam, they believe Jesus is a prophet, just not the son of God. They believe Jesus was born without sin through virgin conception. The biggest difference regarding Jesus, though is that in Islam Jesus isn't considered God incarnate or the son of God.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:42 pm to
Swing, pendulum, swing...
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46863 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:46 pm to
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That happened in 1956, it's not like it's been here for very long
That's irrelevant. My point is that, today, it is the US national motto and is perfectly acceptable to be on public buildings unless the SCOTUS says otherwise.

ETA: Also, because it's our national motto, it's not some arbitrary religious statement pulled from nowhere to infect children with religion.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 2:48 pm
Posted by Yak
DuPage County
Member since May 2014
4672 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:57 pm to
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That's irrelevant. My point is that, today, it is the US national motto and is perfectly acceptable to be on public buildings unless the SCOTUS says otherwise.
You can thank the Soviet Union for that, I suppose

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ETA: Also, because it's our national motto, it's not some arbitrary religious statement pulled from nowhere to infect children with religion.
No, it's our motto BECAUSE it was some arbitrary religious statement pulled from propaganda to infect our children with religion.

You are the reason why this separation needs to exist - you are using this motto to further your religious agenda. Our forefathers were absolutely correct in that regard.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46863 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 3:57 pm to
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You can thank the Soviet Union for that, I suppose
I don't really care about the motto so I'll avoid the "thank you's" for now.

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No, it's our motto BECAUSE it was some arbitrary religious statement pulled from propaganda to infect our children with religion.
See it however you want, but I don't really care why the motto is what it is. While I like it personally, I don't think it's representative of this country any longer. Even so, we can debate what the motto should be (or if we should even have one), but like it or not it's our motto today and therefore there is additional context to it beyond whatever happened in 1951.

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You are the reason why this separation needs to exist
Why me? I'm talking about the historical context of the motto and its relationship to our nation. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I wouldn't care that much if we scrapped the motto completely except for perhaps the reason behind it: people are rejecting God. Such a motto is not a requisite of a God-glorifying nation.

What the motto says or not, it doesn't force anyone to believe anything. It doesn't mandate belief in God or any sort of deity. It doesn't dictate any particular church be attended, any religion to be adhered to, or any belief to be held. The 1st amendment's "separation" is to protect the religious convictions of the people. It is not meant to get rid of all religion from the public square.

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you are using this motto to further your religious agenda.
I'm not using it for any reason at all. I've never shared the gospel message with someone and pointed them towards our nation's motto as a reason why they should believe in what Christ has done for humanity.

That being said, I personally believe that our government should recognize the reality of Jesus Christ as Lord over all nations, including our own. That doesn't mean we have to adopt Old Testament civil law, though, which is probably what you're especially concerned about.

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Our forefathers were absolutely correct in that regard.
I think what the forefathers did has been bastardized by militant atheists today. What they did was put in a protection for the religious peoples of this country.

The 1A was intended to prevent a single religion or religious expression from being forced on the people so that they had to violate their own religious convictions. What the 1A did was protect the citizenry from a religious government, not protect the government (or the public square) from a religious citizenry, as it seems to be the believed today. That doesn't mean removing all aspects of religious influence from the government, but it means not forcing people to adhere to one particular religion.
Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
13103 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 4:56 pm to
About time God returns to US schools.....

Without God's hand of protection evil will return....

Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
14606 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 6:16 pm to
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No, it's our motto BECAUSE it was some arbitrary religious statement pulled from propaganda to infect our children with religion.

You are the reason why this separation needs to exist - you are using this motto to further your religious agenda. Our forefathers were absolutely correct in that regard.

... as you fly into a rage, but is your propaganda any different?

You're free to listen to: It's a bands who's:
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... lyrics and album art, ... cover topics such as murder, serial killers, necrophilia, torture, genocide, human experimentation, Satanism, hate crimes, terrorism, religion, antireligion, Nazism and war,. . . link
Yet no one is stopping you from your religious agend. And no one is twisting your arm into accepting a $twenty$ because of this motto.

And it's you right because enough people say so. See that's the way this works. If you don't like what people want, then change the motto; however it's been tired and upheld because it's still the will of enough people(s). It's their conscious, non-arbitrary, choice. Yes, this motto's our freewill being imposed upon the constitution. Because that's what this document is all about, people deciding whatever they want to accept. We could have gone with, "In GOD we trust and into BOOTY we thrust".
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 6:22 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59469 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 6:18 pm to
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No, it's our motto BECAUSE it was some arbitrary religious statement pulled from propaganda to infect our children with religion


Which religion?
Posted by LSU80 USF08
Orlando, FL
Member since Nov 2007
2729 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 12:07 am to
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I'm curious if they're going to accept the offer of the local group that said they would provide the signs for free.


Free shite is still shite.
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