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re: Finland Set For NATO Entry As Soon As Summer - Russia Warns "Destruction Of Their Country"

Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:16 pm to
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
19338 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:16 pm to
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So you think Russia will nuke Finland? I say that because Russia obviously doesn't have the military might to attack and destroy Finland, so any talk of destroying their country must be reliant on Nukes.

In that case, yea, Russia could destroy them, but they would be destroyed in return so I doubt that's what Russia means in this case.


I think they are banking on the idea that if they hit Finland with 1 nuke no one in the West would retaliate by nuking Russia because then Russia would fire nukes at that nation, on and on. Are they right? I don't know but I could see it.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6547 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:23 pm to
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The war-mongering narrative that Finland needs NATO because Putin will attack Finland is complete rubbish only lemmings believe
I personally draw the line at the English Channel.

If Putin takes England, then he gets the Falklands. Now he is in our hemisphere, from there an amphibious invasion of Argentina will occur. The Russian armies will then absolutely crush South America in a brief, 4,000 mile campaign. The Russians will then rebrand as "migrant convoys" in Panama and will travel another brief 5,000 miles to Tijuana.

You don't want the Russians in Tijuana. Putin must be stopped in Ukraine.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:24 pm to
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Finland has a high-powered, modern military and a nearly impenetrable border and admirable defensive capabilities.


This is precisely why I don’t think they will actually join NATO. Not only did they just commit to another 2 billion in military defense spending, the response from NATO nations should Finland be attacked would be very different than Ukraine. Russia knows this and so does Finland.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 2:25 pm
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:30 pm to
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In a conventional fight, Finland would easily raze Russia.


If Russia nuked Finland, would we nuke Russia if we knew it meant we would also be nuked by Russia? Interesting hypothetical.
Posted by texas tortilla
houston
Member since Dec 2015
1814 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:32 pm to
When nato is all caught up in this finland-russia showdown is when China walks into Taiwan ????
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18644 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:35 pm to
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I think they are banking on the idea that if they hit Finland with 1 nuke no one in the West would retaliate by nuking Russia because then Russia would fire nukes at that nation, on and on. Are they right? I don't know but I could see it.



Launching 1 nuke and waiting for a response would essentially give the West the First Strike Capability position as well as the perfect legitimate reason to use it. You cannot under any circumstances leave the ball in your enemy's court in nuclear warfare. They would be gambling the annihilation of their people for nothing.
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:43 pm to
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Launching 1 nuke and waiting for a response would essentially give the West the First Strike Capability position as well as the perfect legitimate reason to use it.


It would be hair trigger on both sides. The moment anything looked off, hundreds of missiles would be in the air.

Myself, I really would not want to see the US go up in mushroom clouds because Helsinki or for that matter, Kiev went up in a mushroom cloud.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 2:45 pm
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39223 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:08 pm to
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Russia better crack open a history book. Finland whipped that arse in WWII

You are the one who should crack open the history book.
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In October 1939, the Soviet Union attempted to negotiate with Finland to cede Finnish territory on the Karelian Isthmus and the islands of the Gulf of Finland, and to establish a Soviet military base near the Finnish capital of Helsinki.[33] The Finnish government refused, and the Red Army invaded Finland on 30 November 1939.[34] The USSR was expelled from the League of Nations and was condemned by the international community for the illegal attack.[35] Foreign support for Finland was promised, but very little actual help materialised, except from Sweden.[36] The Moscow Peace Treaty concluded the 105-day Winter War on 13 March 1940 and started the Interim Peace.[37] By the terms of the treaty, Finland ceded 8% of its national territory and 13% of its economic capacity to the Soviet Union.[38] Some 420,000 evacuees were resettled from the ceded territories.[39] Finland avoided total conquest of the country by the Soviet Union and retained its sovereignty.


That was the first war between Finland and the USSR during WW2. In the second war, Finland, allied with NAZIS Germany, invaded to try to reclaim this territory (That is called irredentism, BTW) and were driven back. It ended with Finland gaining back some, but not most, of its territory and paying war reparations to the USSR. Plus they had to make the humiliating public admission that they had been allies of the NAZIS.
Wikipedia on the Continuation War
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
10355 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:21 pm to
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“But her skirt was short! She was asking for it!”



What a stupid analogy. Just keep parroting the narrative
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64654 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:23 pm to
Why are the globalist pushing Russia into war? These people are evil.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26202 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:41 pm to
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NATO and the globalists

Finland wanting to exercise its sovereign prerogatives to enter into defense agreements is somehow the fault of NATO or the globalists?

Or must NATO reject all new members now because Russia said so?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26202 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:43 pm to
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In the second war, Finland, allied with NAZIS Germany, invaded to try to reclaim this territory

An alliance of convenience. Nations at war will take any help they can get, particular from the enemies of their enemies.

There is no room for virtue signaling when you are being invaded by a larger and more powerful neighbor.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 3:44 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26202 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:45 pm to
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This is precisely why I don’t think they will actually join NATO. Not only did they just commit to another 2 billion in military defense spending, the response from NATO nations should Finland be attacked would be very different than Ukraine. Russia knows this and so does Finland.

Yep. NATO membership would be a mere formality anyways as Finland is also already signed on to the EU defense community, and is one of NATO's non-member major partners. So is Sweden. Many NATO countries are already obliged to go to Finland's aid, even outside of the NATO framework.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 3:46 pm
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
6489 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:46 pm to
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Alas, Putin’s ambitions surpass his capabilities and he is weakening Russia while strengthening The West.


The ME won't take our calls, countries like India and others have ignored all our demands to honor sanctions, Western companies have abandoned billions in assets in Russia, and countries are starting to get off the petrodollar. I have yet to see any example of how the West has been strengthened from this war. We are still allowing third worlders to invade our borders, inflation is out of hand, and we are even reducing our military capacity. And we still pay the most for NATO even though none of them would help us if our homeland was attacked. Putin's attack has only verified the weakness of this administration and Western Europe.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26202 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:49 pm to
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And we still pay the most for NATO even though none of them would help us if our homeland was attacked.

The hilarious part about this nonsensical statement is that the only time Article V has been invoked was when the US homeland was attacked. And every single NATO member came running.

There is a point to be made about unequal contributions, and Trump got the balling rolling on getting the Western European countries to buy back in (UK, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, etc.) This war will dramatically increase the European nations' defense budgets and thus their share of the NATO budget. However, even if every single member met their 2% obligation, we will always pay more in pure dollars simply because our GDP/economy/defense budget and needs are larger.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 3:54 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110820 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:04 pm to
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It truly is mind boggling how diplomacy has been reduced by influences of things like social media and an emphasis on dunking.

There was a time when it was understood that you don’t back a dangerous animal into a corner.
This post doesn't even make sense.

Why does joining NATO back Russia into a corner? Have NATO countries historically been invading Russia that I've missed? All this means is Russia can't exert their control over a country any longer, but you seem to think Russia has the right to do so, which is odd.

Hell, Ukraine wasn't even a NATO member and we see what is happening, that is 100% all the proof you need to show why neighboring countries would want to then join NATO.

This was a blunder of epic proportions by Putin, regardless of how things turn out in Ukraine.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110820 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:07 pm to
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No. Finland will be completely fine. Making them a NATO member is to provoke Russia. Otherwise, Finland is completely safe

You think Russia is MORE likely to invade a NATO country?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110820 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:09 pm to
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If Putin takes England, then he gets the Falklands. Now he is in our hemisphere, from there an amphibious invasion of Argentina will occur. The Russian armies will then absolutely crush South America in a brief, 4,000 mile campaign. The Russians will then rebrand as "migrant convoys" in Panama and will travel another brief 5,000 miles to Tijuana.

You don't want the Russians in Tijuana. Putin must be stopped in Ukraine.
Bruh, while they can ultimately win in Ukraine, they're struggling mightily. They ain't getting that far, not even close.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26202 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:11 pm to
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I personally draw the line at the English Channel.

quote:

If Putin takes England, then he gets the Falklands. Now he is in our hemisphere, from there an amphibious invasion of Argentina will occur. The Russian armies will then absolutely crush South America in a brief, 4,000 mile campaign. The Russians will then rebrand as "migrant convoys" in Panama and will travel another brief 5,000 miles to Tijuana.


Joking aside, you do realize that several countries in Europe have possessions in the Caribbean and North Atlantic, right? Putin would not have to invade the UK in that sense.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:12 pm to
I’ll be too busy with Covid and my seventh booster to even care about Russia and Finland….yet again.
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