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re: Fighting abortion Post Roe. Are we on the right track?
Posted on 6/19/26 at 10:43 pm to tarzana
Posted on 6/19/26 at 10:43 pm to tarzana
quote:Sounds like a quote direct from the mouth of a southern plantation owner in the 1840's.
Just let it go. It's a known loser for political candidates, everywhere in the U.S.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 10:57 pm to FooManChoo
Neither would I. But you didn’t answer my question. Actions have consequences. If abortion is eradicated, how do the children get adequate support to survive?
Posted on 6/19/26 at 11:08 pm to OTIS2
quote:Various ways. Charity. Church assistance. Welfare with reforms in place.
Neither would I. But you didn’t answer my question. Actions have consequences. If abortion is eradicated, how do the children get adequate support to survive?
You also assume that every child that is murdered through abortion would be conceived and born if abortion were banned nation-wide. Perhaps so many abortions occur today because it's legal and relatively convenient to have one. If it were not an option and mothers faced the choice of feeding their children or being punished for neglect, they would alter their life choices.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 11:25 pm to FooManChoo
I don’t believe every aborted child would be carried to term . But, our country is not prepared for the children that would be born and require burdensome care…that realization is never discussed and isn’t being addressed.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 11:58 pm to OTIS2
quote:Based on what I could tell, some studies show that we are spending upwards of $150 billion per year on illegal immigrants. If you took that money as an even swap (getting rid of all illegal immigrants, or at least refusing all benefits) and applied them to low-income households that are likely to use public funds, it would cover the costs of the 1-1.5 million babies aborted each year, even if we don't assume that number of children born would be lower than the number of abortions.
I don’t believe every aborted child would be carried to term . But, our country is not prepared for the children that would be born and require burdensome care…that realization is never discussed and isn’t being addressed.
So no, I don't think it's an absurd problem to support all children with welfare dollars if we were serious about cutting spending elsewhere, and removing benefits from illegals is a great place to start, as I see it.
But even with that said, I don't think that's where we should focus on in terms of support. There are several alternatives, including adoption (making it easier/less expensive for good families to adopt), and charitable giving. Encouraging people to join churches and get help there would be good, too.
My point is that there are many ways to address the issue if you were serious about banning abortion. Murder isn't a good option to solve financial issues.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 12:26 am to FooManChoo
I’m not in favor of abortion for all and any circumstances. But, we aren’t prepared for the consequences of a national ban. That requires significant discussion and planning that thus far is completely lacking.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 12:26 am to BrodyDad
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it is past time for a complete national ban
IF human life begins at the moment of conception (and in my view it does - biologically, philosophically, and theologically), THEN the preborn have all the rights and protections that the born do.
A legislative national ban is unnecessary. Rather, the SCOTUS just needs an opportunity to recognize the aforementioned.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 12:32 am to OTIS2
quote:My point is that there are plenty of ways to address the concerns you and others might have regarding the practical implications of banning abortion. It's not a matter of whether or not it can be done, but the best way to do it.
I’m not in favor of abortion for all and any circumstances. But, we aren’t prepared for the consequences of a national ban. That requires significant discussion and planning that thus far is completely lacking.
Regardless of what that right way is, we shouldn't wait another minute in stopping the murder of millions of babies for the sake of pragmatism. It's first and foremost a moral issue.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 12:36 am to tigersbb
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Regardless how self righteous you ae Republicans need to stay as far away as they can from this issue.
Part of this is that we have "Republicans" who are incapable of articulating or defending pro-life views.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 12:44 am to GOP_Tiger
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Pro-lifers need to convince the public that their position is correct. We're never going to achieve the outcomes we'd like as long as a majority of the country opposes us.
The pro abortion crowd knows the pro-life crowd is correct. They know they are killing a person. They know they are doing it for convenience. They just don’t care. They have an insatiable lust to kill babies.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 5:50 am to White Bear
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Let’s ban irresponsibility instead.
You are correct. Banning abortion does not correct the underlying issues. There is no such thing as accidental pregnancy. If you frick, pregnancy is a potential outcome. It's basically playing Russian roulette.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 5:53 am to PrattvilleTiger
You points are valid and it's a moral dilemma for many.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 6:43 am to Stevo
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You're presenting this issue the same way our media does, all or nothing. In reality, it's a nuanced position by most Americans. Rape, life threatening to Mother, or viability of infant are conditions that most Americans support for abortion options.
Ok, so about 1.5%.
I’m on both sides of it. The government should have no say so in this as they are incompetent at most things, and nefarious with the rest.
But when you consider that it’s mostly liberals/communists and minorities that are aborting babies it is a net positive to the existence of our country.
The people that would actually raise a child to be a good person and a net positive for society are already conservative and understand that abortion is literally murdering a baby.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 7:29 am to BrodyDad
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It is only extreme when judged against modern society's moral failings. For most of history, abortion has been on the criminal side of the law. A just and proper society cannot and should not condone it. There have always been ways to handle the situations you mentioned and I presume there always will be.
For the record I believe abortions are morally wrong.
That said it is nuanced in regards to rapes, mother's wellbeing, birth defects etc. To that end we get to the quoted part of your message.
There's no question there's a lack of morality in factions of the world. But it didn't just begin in modern society. Pre abortion/modern society, mothers died due to childbirth, kids produced by rape and with birth defects were taken to term, then thrown in rivers, off cliffs, throats cut, left outside to die etc. Not much morality in that.
Morality has no place in legality. The immoral dont care about whether their acts are legal or not. Only the moral care about laws or go out of their way to abide by them, even then selectively. Take away abortion, those babies will still be killed. The how's, when's, wheres are all that would change. The way its done now is making the best of a bad situation. Babies properly disposed of instead of littering our trash cans and waterways. Banning abortion will not end abortion or the killing of unwanted children. It's always been and will always be.
I guess we could return to the days of "Orphan Trains". Even still, morality would be the question of the day. Kill them before birth or entitle them to life full of abuse, torture and eventual death. Let your own moralilty decide which is more humane. Would that be considered progress or would we be right back where we started?
Posted on 6/20/26 at 7:54 am to lsufanva
quote:Our whole society, from day 1, is built on the opposite.
Morality has no place in legality
Posted on 6/20/26 at 7:55 am to BrodyDad
Are you insane? This would be great way to lose elections.
Why do you care if some ratchet wants to terminate her offspring?
Why do you care if some ratchet wants to terminate her offspring?
Posted on 6/20/26 at 7:59 am to BrodyDad
we've banned it in arkansas why won't you baby killers in georgia ban it?
i don't care what happens in blue states like georgia fix your own house mate.
i don't care what happens in blue states like georgia fix your own house mate.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 8:00 am to BrodyDad
quote:statistics show sexual behavior in youth is low, and healthy lifestyle over barhopping is high. Good, non-cringy, messaging around absence and the healthy positive lifestyle it brings would be the best plan of attack.
Too many progs in too many blue states have totally doubled down on baby killing and are having a lot of "success" in their evil scheme. Most statistics show that abortion numbers have gone up since Roe was done away with
Sure it'll be hard, but if girls would be taught their true, and only power, is between their legs, they can live happier removing it off the table until a man proves to her he is deserving.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 8:07 am to DaveyJones12
quote:if she was truly raped*, then im sure the hospital will be able to give her the pill to prevent pregnancy. So that takes the true rape arguments off the table.
You’re fricking insane man if my daughter gets raped then pregnant abortion is absolutely on the table
*ie kidnapped and forced in some back alley by a true stranger, etc not just regretfully claiming it after waking up from some drunken stuper
Posted on 6/20/26 at 10:53 am to dickkellog
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we've banned it in arkansas why won't you baby killers in georgia ban it?
i don't care what happens in blue states like georgia fix your own house mate.
As things go, Georgia is pretty restrictive for being as purple as it is. I wish it was as strong, if not stronger, than Arkansas. But I dont get to decide that alone.
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