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re: Fifteen bodies were examined (all died from 7 days to 6 months after vaccination

Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:12 am to
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:12 am to
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That is a massively shitty analysis. Where are the histopathologic sections? And why they are treating mucosal immunity as though it is entirely distinct is exceedingly odd. A secondary viral response should produce IgG, IgA and IgE antibody responses through heavy-chain isotype switching. The primary response will mainly be IgM and IgG, with the secondary response having higher average affinity.



I’ll ask you this before the Arsenal game starts.

Where’s the data showing I should stick this shite in my body as a male in my 30s? I weigh 155lbs. Could prob gain some weight.
This post was edited on 1/8/22 at 10:13 am
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:13 am to
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Now do the covid death totals.



Oh OK so that justifies a failed vaccine that could potentially be killing people that could have otherwise survived CV19 and it's less than 1% death rate?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22765 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:13 am to
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That is a massively shitty analysis.

I wish just once one of you medical industrial complex champions would include in this kind of critique of dubious science behind "vaccines are evil" reports something like, "true, all the shite behind Covid is as dubious, but the way out of this isn't to layer more bullshite on top of the bullshite the CDC/my industry has carefully crafted over the last two years."
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:17 am to
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Where’s the data showing I should stick this shite in my body as a male in my 30s? I weigh 155lbs. Could prob gain some weight.


If you don't want to get it, don't get it.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:18 am to
The vaxx is doing its job. Stop letting people know less you will thwart more deaths.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10586 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:19 am to
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If you don't want to get it, don't get it.


A tuck and run to a question he knows has an answer that doesn’t fit his agenda from a purported medical professional.

Shocking.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80030 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:22 am to
It was the other poster who changed the subject from critique of the bullshite in the op.
Posted by NineLineBind
LA....no, the other one
Member since May 2020
8637 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:25 am to
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It's 15 people amongst hundreds of millions who have been vaxed. And, as posted by others above, it's a dubious 15.

Then let's allow more studies to occur, stop censoring other studies that have been done, and quit calling those who do the studies "science deniers". We'd get a much more accurate picture than we have at the moment.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80030 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:27 am to
Fine. But don't pounce on every unpublished or dubious study that fits your narrative.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:29 am to
Don’t pounce on yours
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:32 am to
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I wish just once one of you medical industrial complex champions would include in this kind of critique of dubious science behind "vaccines are evil" reports something like, "true, all the shite behind Covid is as dubious, but the way out of this isn't to layer more bullshite on top of the bullshite the CDC/my industry has carefully crafted over the last two years."



Well, firstly, they refer to histopathology without providing the actually specimens. That is dubious by itself.

If I were making an argument that people were getting sick to the vaccines, there are a couple of arguments you should make. The first argument has to do with immune complex deposition or some other similar pattern of cellular injury which is apparent on histopathology. There are characteristic patterns of illness that are unmistakable on histopathology sections. For example, with acute poststreptococal glomerulonephritis, you should see enlarged and hypercelluar glomeruli on light microscopy, and 'starry sky' granular appearance on immunofluorescence due to deposition of IgG, IgM, and C3 deposition in the glomeruli basement membrane in the kidney. That's where I thought they were going with the histopathology reference, but they don't provide any analysis at all, don't provide the sections, don't point out unmistakable signs of autoimmune illness (such as deposits of immunological injury, as is characteristic of several autoimmune diseases). There will be characteristic patterns which suggest a pathophysiology, as in how a disease works at the cellular level. There are key characteristic features of cellular injury that every doctor should learn in your basic pathology class, and using those references is how I would attempt to link discrete cause to pattern of cellular injury.

The second argument relies on the first, as in you see the same pattern of cellular injury in multiple tissues, which would suggest complex or protein deposition in areas of the body where there should be no such deposition. That's what that guy who used the Cardiac PULS test was trying to suggest, albeit exceedingly poorly.

The third argument then has to rely on a clinical presentation linked to the specific cellular injury. It would beggar belief that there would be no clinical presentation of cellular injury before actual cell death.

Those are the basics of how I would make an argument, but no analysis I've read so far, and I feel I've read quite a few, has even broached the mechanism of cellular injury at all, which is exceedingly curious.
This post was edited on 1/8/22 at 10:36 am
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80030 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:32 am to
I haven't. In fact, I'd like to see more on therapeutics.
Posted by alatxtgr
The Nation of Texas
Member since Sep 2006
2404 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:34 am to
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So glad I’m a pure blood
Pure blood here & currently working through Omicron, not bad and building those antibodies !!!
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:35 am to
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A tuck and run to a question he knows has an answer that doesn’t fit his agenda from a purported medical professional.



What do you mean? My answer fits consistently with what I've said all along, in that without a coordinated, international response to a pandemic, piecemeal vaccination won't do anything to curb the illness. Hence why I've never supported mandates, and have supported ending vaccine patents. If vaccination is your strategy, then it has to be done within a relatively short time for basically everyone.
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:37 am to
So Covid upon inspection really caused 6% of the recorded “Covid Deaths”, while unreported deaths in the vaccinated returned only 6% that WEREN’T actually caused by the vax?

Yes, the world is running upside down.
Posted by NineLineBind
LA....no, the other one
Member since May 2020
8637 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:38 am to
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Fine. But don't pounce on every unpublished or dubious study that fits your narrative.

Again, my original post acknowledged this is only one small study. But when you add it to the body of information already out there, it begins to create a picture that many are trying to cover up. Also, we have data that covid vaccines have done more harm than previous vaccines that were never mandated. People shouldn't be losing jobs, livelihoods, and freedoms because they want more information.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102783 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:39 am to
Not saying it’s wrong, but how do we know it was the vaccine and they just didn’t have heart issues?

You’d have to know for certain they were healthy prior to getting the jab
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80030 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:44 am to
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Again, my original post acknowledged this is only one small study. But when you add it to the body of information already out there, it begins to create a picture that many are trying to cover up
Not when studies are as bad as this one is. You can't pile up a dozen bad studies and say, "Hey, there's a cover-up."
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 10:45 am to
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If the vaccines really are that dangerous, it should be a fairly easy thing to prove in death statistics.


I agree & it has been.



Insurance CEO states 40% increase in deaths unprecedented

Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80030 posts
Posted on 1/8/22 at 11:00 am to
So the overall all cause mortality numbers in the UK are down since the introduction of the vaccine.
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