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re: Fed court in Pennsylvania says To Hell with them dates on mail-in ballot envelopes
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:14 am to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:14 am to Bobby OG Johnson
So, you think that a timely-received ballot should be rejected due to a clerical error, when mere receipt before election day OR the post-mark has already PROVEN that the ballot was timely-cast?
OK. You do you, Bobby.
OK. You do you, Bobby.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:19 am
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:17 am to GBPackTigers
quote:Please, enlighten us.
You do realize they don’t date them on purpose, right? Guess why.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:23 am to BHS78
quote:So much for the anonymity of the ballot box.
Serial number ... on mail in ballot assigned to the registered voter.
I guess you could put the serial number on the inner envelope and separate it from the ballot once ID and timeliness have been verified, but before counting ... but that is not what you said.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:24 am to ksayetiger
quote:Sure, Jan.
A whistle-blower in Detroit that worked for the post office said he was ordered to back date ballots. I heard his testimony live and now I can't find it anywhere. Scrubbed from the web I am sure.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:26 am to Godfather1
quote:All post-marked BEFORE election day?quote:2 days after the election:
in Pennsylvania, they can be received up to three days after the election, no signature, no date, and no post mark.
“Oh look. Here’s 600,000 undated ballots. And surprise, surprise, they’re all for Joe Biden.”
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:27 am to Godfather1
quote:Your Amazon order is not an attempt to exercise a Constitutional right.
If I try to fill out a form online and miss a slot, I get the red text of death and it doesn’t let me go on until I catch what I missed.
An undated ballot is an incomplete document. Incomplete documents get tossed every day.
For good or ill, the courts tend to cut a LITTLE slack even for illiterate idiots when they are trying to vote.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:30 am to lsutiger90
quote:True.quote:Not if they are harvested and stuffed in a drop box?
Don't these ballots get a date on them when they are postmarked?
Of course, THIS case is not ABOUT drop boxes, but rather mail-in ballots. It is right there in the thread title.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:31 am to Antoninus
quote:
Your Amazon order is not an attempt to exercise a Constitutional right.
Of course it is.
quote:
For good or ill, the courts tend to cut a LITTLE slack even for illiterate idiots when they are trying to vote.
Help Dems trash elections is a more accurate
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:33 am to Antoninus
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All post-marked BEFORE election day?
Again Hank, when did proper procedure suddenly become immaterial to you attorneys?
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:34 am to Antoninus
quote:
You do realize they don’t date them on purpose, right? Guess why.
Please, enlighten us.
Hank surely you know the answer without being told. If you cannot I suggest scrapping your law practice as you are not fit to be a attorney.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:36 am to Warboo
quote:
Hank surely you know the answer without being told. If you cannot I suggest scrapping your law practice as you are not fit to be a attorney.
He’s not a practicing attorney.
If I were a betting man, I’d wager he’s been disbarred for one reason or another.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:41 am to Antoninus
quote:
If I try to fill out a form online and miss a slot, I get the red text of death and it doesn’t let me go on until I catch what I missed.
quote:
Your Amazon order is not an attempt to exercise a Constitutional right.
If I go to a sporting goods store and electronically fill out a background check to purchase a firearm, it sure as hell is.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:42 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:44 am to Antoninus
quote:
Of course, THIS case is not ABOUT drop boxes, but rather mail-in ballots. It is right there in the thread title.
Shows how dumb you are. The drop boxes are for mail in ballots
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:57 am to Friscodog
quote:
the signatures matched
Wow, that is so racist.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:03 am to boosiebadazz
quote:
So the ballots are received before the election but they’re not supposed to be counted because the person didn’t date them?
What does the actual law pertaining to them being filled out and returned say?
That is what every American should demand be followed.
If it says it has to be dated and signed, and it's not, it's not valid. That is how you battle fraud.
Anytime you skew the law, it's akin to the old argument of a guy holding up a McDonalds because he was hungry so he shouldn't be charged.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:03 am to boosiebadazz
quote:
So the ballots are received before the election but they’re not supposed to be counted because the person didn’t date them?
That is the law in Pennsylvania. LINK
"This envelope shall then be placed in the second one, on which is printed the form of declaration of the elector, and the address of the elector's county board of election and the local election district of the elector. The elector shall then fill out, date and sign the declaration printed on such envelope. Such envelope shall then be securely sealed and the elector shall send same by mail, postage prepaid, except where franked, or deliver it in person to said county board of election."
ETA: I'm interested to see how this date requirement violates the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 10:06 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:22 am to Bobby OG Johnson
This is why paper and mail in ballots are just as dangerous as electronic voting.
It maybe time to go back to a time when things were counted electromechanical.
Time to bring back old school voting machines that are certified and tamper resistant. But then there are chances that someone could still hack the voting counting reels by putting a bad gear that goes unchecked.
I guess we may need to hold caucuses in our local area where voting is held in public at the same time and then reported to the state.
It maybe time to go back to a time when things were counted electromechanical.
Time to bring back old school voting machines that are certified and tamper resistant. But then there are chances that someone could still hack the voting counting reels by putting a bad gear that goes unchecked.
I guess we may need to hold caucuses in our local area where voting is held in public at the same time and then reported to the state.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:43 am to jimmy the leg
quote:
Iirc, in Pennsylvania, they can be received up to three days after the election, no signature, no date, and no post mark.
Ohhhhhhhhhh. Well, that makes a difference!!!
Knowing this, what reason would someone make the decision to accept ballots without a date other than to allow cheating????
How can a federal judge rule on an issue the Constitution says are the states responsible for?
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:53 am to ksayetiger
quote:Just ... wow.quote:The drop boxes are for mail in ballots
Of course, THIS case is not ABOUT drop boxes, but rather mail-in ballots. It is right there in the thread title.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 11:21 am to Antoninus
quote:(a) There is a reason the date is required
So, you think that a timely-received ballot should be rejected due to a clerical error, when mere receipt before election day OR the post-mark has already PROVEN that the ballot was timely-cast?
(b) Your insertion of "timely-cast" is an absurdity given recent court holdings on validity of tardy VBM ballots
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