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re: Fed Chair Powell advocates making student loans dischargable in BK

Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:21 pm to
Posted by Usafgiles
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:21 pm to
wtf? as if bankruptcy doesn't hurt enough?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:24 pm to
What is to stop a student from getting loans for 5 years, graduate, and then declare bankruptcy because their liabilities outweigh their assets (because they have no assets because they haven't started working yet)?

There has to be some kind of compromise that doesn't just allow debtors to default without consequence.
Posted by Usafgiles
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:25 pm to
well just having a bankruptcy on my credit for 7 years would be enough for me.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:28 pm to
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What is to stop a student from getting loans for 5 years, graduate, and then declare bankruptcy because their liabilities outweigh their assets (because they have no assets because they haven't started working yet)?
Prior to 2005 the rule was you couldn't discharge any loans less than 7 years old. So your hypothetical student would have to wait two years before they could even partially discharge their loans.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 2:28 pm
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:28 pm to
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wtf? as if bankruptcy doesn't hurt enough?
It should hurt. A student uses loans to get an education then walks away from his obligation? Screw that!

It doesn't hurt if no one knows it happened.

You realize some cities & states prohibit using credit reports for hiring purposes, right?
Posted by Usafgiles
North Augusta, SC
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:31 pm to
yea, but if you file for bankruptcy you are already not going to be able to buy a house, car (without severe interest penalties), you will pay more in rent, have to have deposits down for any utility. I think barring them from potential employment might be a little too far. just my two cents.
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:34 pm to
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yea, but if you file for bankruptcy you are already not going to be able to buy a house, car (without severe interest penalties), you will pay more in rent, have to have deposits down for any utility. I think barring them from potential employment might be a little too far. just my two cents.
Here's a solution to all of those bad things you listed: don't declare bankruptcy.
Posted by Usafgiles
North Augusta, SC
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:35 pm to
obviously that's ideal, but shite happens.


I'm talking about the people who have no other choice, not the scammers. people will always find a way to scam any system.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 2:37 pm
Posted by MrLSU
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:37 pm to
Fed Chair Powell doesn't understand that if you do this that it will lead to a large number of applicants who will be unable to qualify for a student loan and that the student loan process will only be available to those who have means to repay the debt. In other words this will completely decimate 3/4 of Universities across the US and the Universities that stay solvent are those with large endowments. LSU is not one of those Universities with a large endowment.
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:37 pm to
And student loans will become student grants if the loans can be erased that easily. What is the lender going to do, repossess the student's diploma?
Posted by Usafgiles
North Augusta, SC
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:38 pm to
then I guess they just need to forgive them. It's the only solution. what's 1.5 trillion to a 20+ trillion national debt.


think about the economic pluses. you've just freed 44 million people and allowed them to start buying homes and spending money.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 2:40 pm
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:38 pm to
I don't see the need for extra punitive laws mandating this or that when the lenders are perfectly capable of using interest rates to price the risk for themselves
Posted by TigerMyth36
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:39 pm to
Shows how even when the government does something good, the consequences are disastrous.

Inflation has averaged roughly 3% for 30 years and yet tuition has skyrocketed past the inflation rate. In theory the school I went to could be double what it was when I went. That would be close to the inflation rate since I left. Instead, it is 4X what my parents paid. No wonder they have been able to double the number of buildings while maintaining the same size class.

Without the government backing of loans and inability to dismiss the loans, Colleges have been able to jack prices to ridiculous levels that most students will never be able to pay off.

I'm not remotely for students being able to dismiss loans, but it is quite clear the government backed loans was a mistake.
This post was edited on 3/9/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:42 pm to
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when the lenders are perfectly capable of using interest rates to price the risk for themselves
OH, crap, we have a lending expert on our hands!

The Federal government sets all of the rates for student loans, not the bank making the loan. The rates are reset every July 1 for new loans for the next year.

LINK

Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:43 pm to
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Fed Chair Powell doesn't understand that if you do this that it will lead to a large number of applicants who will be unable to qualify for a student loan and that the student loan process will only be available to those who have means to repay the debt. In other words this will completely decimate 3/4 of Universities across the US
Again, this was the law for private loans in 2005. It was the law even for for guaranteed federal loans back in ye olde days of ... 1998. I'm fairly confident college was not an elites-only proposition in 1998.
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:43 pm to
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you've just freed 44 million people
And you just screwed all of the graduates who repaid their loans as they agreed to do.

Is personal responsibility not important any longer?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:43 pm to
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You realize some cities & states prohibit using credit reports for hiring purposes, right?


Which is an enormous problem, in and of itself.
Posted by Usafgiles
North Augusta, SC
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:44 pm to
how did you screw them?
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:45 pm to
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The Federal government sets all of the rates for student loans, not the bank making the loan. The rates are reset every July 1 for new loans for the next year.
And therefore... what? Do you think the federal government would sit on its hands and keep interest rates the same? I imagine they would hike rates bigly if something like this passed.
Posted by carlsoda
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Posted on 3/9/18 at 2:45 pm to
And I bet they won’t let their kids make the same mistake. If it were me, my kid would be learning the value of money.
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