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re: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:54 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:54 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:How do they provide it exactly?
ISPs pay next to nothing for the data they provide
This should be awesome to watch.
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:54 am to Taxing Authority
None more than likely.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:56 am to StraightCashHomey21
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So now you think throttling data is ok???
Ya. If you don't like it, don't use their service. I data throttle here at work. It's called QoS.
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with as much as they charge they can do it
As others have said, I don't think you really understand the costs involved with building out infrastructure...and making it HA.
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I lived in Germany and didn't have a data cap. Didn't have one in England either.
So did I. And DT had a data cap.
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That still doesn't address what I said.
Yes it does.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:56 am to Centinel
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This assumes all UDP traffic. TCP traffic isn't "degraded"...it just keeps anyone else from connecting
Well technically everyone is connected bc your modem is sending and receiving packets even when your not using anything.
quote:if the nodes is slammed its going to affect everyone.
You get a couple of users going balls to the wall with downloads, and their service will be just fine. Not so much for anyone else trying to access content.
quote:yes
You do understand the difference between UDP and TCP traffic I'm assuming?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:58 am to StraightCashHomey21
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I lived in Germany and didn't have a data cap. Didn't have one in England either.
German population density = 229 per square mile
England = 395.
United State = < 90
Are you enjoying my foot up your arse yet?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:58 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Dear lord.
hence why they shouldn't oversell bandwidth they can't actually provide.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:59 am to ShortyRob
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Are you enjoying my foot up your arse yet?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:59 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:59 am to Taxing Authority
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hence why they shouldn't oversell bandwidth they can't actually provide.
Dear lord.
Yes Virginia.
Moron is basically arguing that if they can provide a given bandwidth 90% of the time, they shouldn't sell THAT.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:00 am to cahoots
quote:Highest price doesn’t maximize revenue—even in a monopoly. Especially not in a monopoly where the operator delivers ishtty service.
Por favor, just make your point
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 11:01 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:00 am to Centinel
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Ya. If you don't like it, don't use their service. I data throttle here at work. It's called QoS.
Yea at work and at home there is still a min QoS that has to be maintained esp when an ISP provides internet to a business.
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As others have said, I don't think you really understand the costs involved with building out infrastructure...and making it HA.
I do, and ISPs have shown they don't in areas they keep a monopoly.
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So did I. And DT had a data cap.
How long ago was that? It wasn't a thing for ISPs in 2012 when I went shopping around.
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Yes it does.
Nope, throttling data once you use a certain amount and telling people here is your cap and if you bust it we will charge you out the arse are not the same thing.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:00 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Well technically everyone is connected bc your modem is sending and receiving packets even when your not using anything.
Uh....dude. You really need to read a book or two on basic networking.
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if the nodes is slammed its going to affect everyone.
Ok, I see you don't actually understand TCP vs UDP traffic.
Tip: the important part is connected vs connectionless traffic.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:00 am to DarthRebel
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It is not a freaking utility, you do not need the Internet for survival.
Nor electricity or telecommunications for that matter yet those are utilities.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 11:02 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:01 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:You likely did have a "data cap" as you keep using the term but you didn't notice any effect on your usage.
I lived in Germany and didn't have a data cap.
You realize "data cap" doesn't mean your internet access stops, right?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:01 am to ShortyRob
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German population density = 229 per square mile England = 395. United State = < 90 Are you enjoying my foot up your arse yet?
population density has nothing to do with data caps
if you said fiber laid then sure you would have a point.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:01 am to Taxing Authority
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Highest price doesn’t maximize revenue—even in a monopoly.
Well now you've gone and fricking done it!
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:03 am to LSURussian
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You realize "data cap" doesn't mean your internet access stops, right?
You get charged when you exceed it or the ISP changes you plan.
I had neither.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:03 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Glorious. I absolutely KNEW you would have no idea why I cited population density.
population density has nothing to do with data caps
I'm not even gonna help.
I'm gonna let TA or Centinal step in to articulate why I brought it up.
Just to show how OBVIOUS the point was.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:04 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:That’s kinda like saying Ford pays next to nothing for the lug nuts on their cars.
ISPs pay next to nothing for the data they provide
I mean yeah... if you ignore the costs of delivering the data.. it’s really, really cheap!
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:06 am to FooManChoo
quote:He’s arguing infinite supply at no costs.
Dude doesn't seem to understand basic economics of supply and demand.
I wish he were right. It would be an amazing world.
I’d be doing all I could to get into the ISP business if he were anywhere close to correct. I’m not. Nor is anyone else.
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