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re: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:45 am to DarthRebel
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:45 am to DarthRebel
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It is not a freaking utility, you do not need the Internet for survival
Well, hell. Let's call it a utility.
Do these morons think that if I'm rich as frick, I can go built a giant factory near a small town where my factory COMPLETELY overwhelms that town's grid and just plug the frick in?
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:46 am to ShortyRob
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Have they improved? I mean yeah it depends on where you live fricktard. It's a big country.
so you are back tracking...
In areas they have a local monopolies they see no real need to improve things bc there is no competition.
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Now you're just being pathetic.
Are you arguing that doesn't happen?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:46 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:You think providing it is free?
You thinking ISPs run out of bandwidth
Pleas let me know where I can buy a DC hub with infinite bandwidth. I’d love to see those specs.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:47 am to StraightCashHomey21
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hence why they shouldn't oversell bandwidth they can't actually provide.
So, in your(at this point completely insane) world, you believe that providers should sell assuming everyone is using 100% capacity 24/7?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:47 am to ShortyRob
In the post-NN world, the delivery service could refuse to delivery packages to SFP. Or they could negotiate a different price for SFP so that he gets all his packages on time, but at the cost of my package being delayed. If Fedex decides it doesn't like the packages I'm ordering, my packages could also be delayed. Or any other third party could do that, as is seen in countries where you need a VPN just to go to Twitter or YT.
Let's say that Youtube and Comcast come to an agreement that says that YT will pay 100 million a year for Comcast to improve its quality of service to its customers, but it would also say that all non-YT videos would be throttled to 1 Mbps. A start up with a better idea than YT would need 100 million just to enter the market.
I understand that there are bandwidth concerns for ISPs, but doing away with NN gives ISPs too much power to discriminate along too many vectors.
Let's say that Youtube and Comcast come to an agreement that says that YT will pay 100 million a year for Comcast to improve its quality of service to its customers, but it would also say that all non-YT videos would be throttled to 1 Mbps. A start up with a better idea than YT would need 100 million just to enter the market.
I understand that there are bandwidth concerns for ISPs, but doing away with NN gives ISPs too much power to discriminate along too many vectors.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:48 am to Bass Tiger
quote:Yeah. I used to think StraightCash had some technical knowledge but it is becoming readily apparent that it's far more limited than he thinks it is.
They don’t work in the industry and have never studied or designed network infrastructure.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:48 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Please please tell me how data caps improve the network.
It throttles data hogs.
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Esp when ISPs pay next to nothing for the data they then charge way more for.
Lets ignore the costs of infrastructure build out and upgrades.
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Other countries with better internet don't use caps
Ya they do. Germany off the top of my head for sure.
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Hell some ISPs in American don't have caps in one town bc their competition doesn't yet implements them in towns they have no competition.
Go read the fine print on any "unlimited" data plan.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:48 am to ShortyRob
quote:Hey man, I was streaming 4K to my TV over compuserve. Infinite bandwidth is awesome!
So. You're telling me that the current internet infrastructure is roughly the same as it was in 2002?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:48 am to Centinel
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But they can provide it. Unless a small number of users are running at full capacity continuously. We should come up with a term for those type of people...
When a nodes is full everyone will see a degradation esp during peak hours on a cable network in service.
You can't hog data if your service is degraded.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:49 am to Taxing Authority
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You think providing it is free
did I ever say that
ISPs pay next to nothing for the data they provide
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:50 am to StraightCashHomey21
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so you are back tracking... In areas they have a local monopolies they see no real need to improve things bc there is no competition.
Back tracking? LOL. You're now down to arguing that because it hasn't improved EVERYWHERE, that doesn't count as improvement.
No shite in some locations improvement will be slower.
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing internet coverage at the top of Mt Rainier is a bit spotty these days.
Those fricking ISPs!!!!
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:50 am to ShortyRob
Dude doesn't seem to understand basic economics of supply and demand.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:51 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Nope. When you pay Netflix, how much goes to your ISP?
We are paying for the packages to be delivered
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:51 am to Centinel
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Go read the fine print on any "unlimited" data plan.
Hey mine is an unlimited plan and my download speeds are great until I hit 20 gig. Lol!
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:51 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:I'm willing to be you can't define "data caps" as it relates to net neutrality.
Please please tell me how data caps improve the network.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:51 am to Taxing Authority
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You thinking ISPs run out of bandwidth
Cash posted THAT to you as if to make fun of you
Then. Posted
quote:to me.
hence why they shouldn't oversell bandwidth they can't actually provide.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:52 am to Centinel
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It throttles data hogs.
So now you think throttling data is ok???
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Lets ignore the costs of infrastructure build out and upgrades.
with as much as they charge they can do it
quote:I lived in Germany and didn't have a data cap. Didn't have one in England either.
Ya they do. Germany off the top of my head for sure.
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Go read the fine print on any "unlimited" data plan.
That still doesn't address what I said.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:53 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:That simply isn’t true. If you’re claiming that the infrastructure, right of way, pole leases, are “next to nothing” you’re too poorly informed to argue with. Go look at a balance sheet sometime.
ISPs pay next to nothing for the data they provide
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:53 am to StraightCashHomey21
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When a nodes is full everyone will see a degradation esp during peak hours on a cable network in service.
This assumes all UDP traffic. TCP traffic isn't "degraded"...it just keeps anyone else from connecting.
You get a couple of users going balls to the wall with downloads, and their service will be just fine. Not so much for anyone else trying to access content.
You do understand the difference between UDP and TCP traffic I'm assuming?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:53 am to ShortyRob
quote:Dammit Shrty. We were having so much fun.
You're in this thread literally arguing that BOTH of the following are true.
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