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re: FBI building DNA data base for ALL Americans.... strike one against Trump
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:05 pm to The Maj
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:05 pm to The Maj
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So, if the LAW is not the issue, why is this "strike one" against Trump for signing it?
I'm against the law because it puts in place a national data base. It will now make any person arrested, guilty or not, part of that. I'm against that.
I'm also against the SCOTUS ruling talked about in the article.
Again... EVERYBODY now sees your mistake in reading. Just own up to it like the other guy.
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Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:10 pm to Jjdoc
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I'm against the law because it puts in place a national data base
No it does not... try reading the law...
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It will now make any person arrested, guilty or not, part of that
No it will not, unless State law requires the collection of the DNA AND they participate in this program... Again, how many States have laws that require the collection of DNA on arrest?
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I'm also against the SCOTUS ruling talked about in the article.
I am not fond of the SCOTUS ruling but you chose to rail against the law, which in this case does nothing to further the collection of DNA, except to make comparing in the system faster...
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EVERYBODY now sees your mistake in reading.
Again, you are actually retarded and do not understand that this Law does not do what you claimed it would do AND the article is nothing more than tinfoil hat shite spinkled with some concerning stuff...
You sir are simply ignorant when it comes to making a valid argument... Try posting less...
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:19 pm to The Maj
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No it does not... try reading the law...
Have.
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No it will not, unless State law requires the collection of the DNA AND they participate in this program... Again, how many States have laws that require the collection of DNA on arrest?
In 2009, there were 20 states. Try GOOGLING
Considering this law makes it easy for them to do it with no costs.. Most will.
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I am not fond of the SCOTUS ruling but you chose to rail against the law, which in this case does nothing to further the collection of DNA, except to make comparing in the system faster...
I did, and am. And you are wrong.
Where as some cities and states may have limited the DNA collection to a few cases involving a suspect of a crime, it will now make it easier to take the sample from a guy arrested for suspended license because the cost is not there.
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Again, you are actually retarded and do not understand that this Law does not do what you claimed it would do AND the article is nothing more than tinfoil hat shite spinkled with some concerning stuff...
No, even your friend left it when it was shown.
You can comprehend what you read.
I asked you to point out what was not true in the article, and you were exposed. This is my last response to you.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:28 pm to Midget Death Squad
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A mouth swab is completely noninvasive
Just to be clear... the government sticking something in your mouth against your will is "non-invasive"? Gotcha. Agree to disagree.
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I think creating a database of fingerprints and dna causes no harm and brings about great benefit to the security of our civilization.
To be clear, we aren't talking about those who have been convicted of a crime, right? So you would be okay with the government deciding to gather the fingerprints and dna from all citizens in order to make a more efficient database, so long as it was to the "great benefit to the security of our civilization"?
Wow. Pretty Orwellian of you. Gun registry, Fingerprint registry, DNA registry...what could go wrong?
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Ben Franklin
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The moment I see rational evidence that harm does indeed come from this is the moment I begin to rethink my position.
Reason article
I would say that the families of innocent people who were put to death for crimes they didn't commit, but were nonetheless convicted because of incompetent and corrupt forensic labs and prosecutors, would argue that harm was done.
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the moment I begin to rethink my position.
That moment is upon you. If it isn't, God help you.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:35 pm to Jjdoc
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Have.
then your comprehension sucks because it is a simple law...
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In 2009, there were 20 states. Try GOOGLING
There are 28 now, so you must be a little rusty at Google... not surprised in your defective mental state...
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take the sample from a guy arrested for suspended license because the cost is not there.
Complete bullshite because very few, if any of the States that allow DNA collection allow it for petty arrests... Just made up shite to keep you up at night... Even Miami that is currently testing this system allows those arrested to opt out... So, jokes on you again...
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even your friend left it when it was shown.
What friend? Most people ignore your retarded arse after a few posts... I was bored today, so I didn't ignore your dumbass like I normally do... Sorry you had to go to your script in an attempt to bail your dumbass out...
How much you get paid for posting this bullshite? You and JBond are a dream team for sure...
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:57 pm to Jjdoc
Eh.. the cops can get a warrant for a blood sample for DWI.
We're already well down the slippery slope.
We're already well down the slippery slope.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 4:23 pm to Tiger4Liberty
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we aren't talking about those who have been convicted of a crime, right? So you would be okay with the government deciding to gather the fingerprints and dna from all citizens in order to make a more efficient database, so long as it was to the "great benefit to the security of our civilization"?
I have no issues with a fingerprint and dna database for everyone regardless of criminal status. If you can show me where this is invasive or harmful then I may reconsider my position.
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“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Ben Franklin
How is a DNA database an invasion of one's liberty? What freedoms are oppressed here? If you say privacy, privacy is not liberty. These are two separate ideals.
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I would say that the families of innocent people who were put to death for crimes they didn't commit, but were nonetheless convicted because of incompetent and corrupt forensic labs and prosecutors, would argue that harm was done.
Point to me the perfect system with an absolute lack of flaws, and I will show you a fairy tale. It is impossible. Your standards and criteria are impossible to be met, so the best we can do is find laws and agreements that will harm the most minimal amount of people as possible.
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That moment is upon you. If it isn't, God help you.
And here you took a healthy debate and turned it into a drama queen moment. Way to ruin it
Posted on 2/20/19 at 4:36 pm to Jjdoc
Anybody who thinks this is harmless is living in a fantasy.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 2/20/19 at 4:42 pm to NolakcbrTiger
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We just lost more freedom with this ruling.
What freedom is lost?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 4:54 pm to Midget Death Squad
The freedom to be secure in my person.
The freedom from undue search & seizure.
Wake up.
And if you truly trust that our government has only pure intentions with this, you live in a fantasy.
The freedom from undue search & seizure.
Wake up.
And if you truly trust that our government has only pure intentions with this, you live in a fantasy.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 4:59 pm to Jjdoc
I remember getting fingerprinted in elementary sc.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 5:07 pm to Ten Bears
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Not saying that I agree with this, but how is this different from being photographed and providing fingerprints upon arrest?
Because this is like taking pictures and fingerprints of every single one of your relatives if you get arrested. For example if they have say your cousins DNA from an arrest and later find your DNA at a crime scene they will know exactly who you are.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 5:08 pm to Midget Death Squad
Show me where specifically the constitution allows the government to create & maintain a dna/fingerprint database for noncriminal reasons.
The government does not need my dna for any noncriminal reason. But keep trusting the government that keeps taking our rights.
Just to keep us all safe of course.
The government does not need my dna for any noncriminal reason. But keep trusting the government that keeps taking our rights.
Just to keep us all safe of course.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 5:11 pm to Jjdoc
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I'm against the law because it puts in place a national data base. It will now make any person arrested, guilty or not, part of that
Along with ALL of their family members
Posted on 2/20/19 at 5:21 pm to Ten Bears
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Not saying that I agree with this, but how is this different from being photographed and providing fingerprints upon arrest?
Can you tell everything about a person’s genetic makeup from a picture?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 5:50 pm to WaWaWeeWa
The Maj and Jdoc in this thread:
Posted on 2/20/19 at 6:33 pm to Jjdoc
What's the big deal? All that data will be stored and used by the good guys. You know, the FBI.... Oh. shite...
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 2/20/19 at 6:42 pm to Jjdoc
People from Michigan seem to be stupid. Anecdotal is anecdotal.
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